New 2018 750/850GS merged threadfest

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by GS-A-Day, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. Tigershark48

    Tigershark48 Been here awhile

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    Maybe. There are those who look at the F700 as a petite ladies adv bike.

    Not being a petite lady myself, I disagree :-)
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  2. Tigershark48

    Tigershark48 Been here awhile

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    Breaking news for those who may have missed this. It looks like the 2018 F750/850 is not going to hit the dealerships for quite a while yet. The 2018 F700/800 are out and a new color is available.
    Video here:
  3. BordenBmw

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    On BMW Motorad Canada website. No prices yet but the 850 comes in 3 colors red, white and pollux metallic matt???

    The 750 comes in yellow, white and what even that pollux color is also.:lol3

    http://www.bmw-motorrad.ca/ca/en/index.html

    The F800GS and F700GS are gone from the website but the 800GSA is still there.
  4. spencermarkd

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    ... No, that video is from August and is definitely incorrect information.

    (Maybe I'm missing a joke here...?)
  5. mxz

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    Dealers in Europe say they will receive first units in March 2018 ahead of season.

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  6. Tigershark48

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    Model years commonly come out the late part of the year before in the U.S. My last two bikes were purchased in the fall and designated as the next model year.

    I bought a 2017 F700 and blue was not one of the color options. This is a video of a blue F700GS/800 with a white frame, clearly identified as a 2018. The F750/850 are also designated as 2018.

    My local dealership today is advertising 2018 F700/800 models. They are not showing the blue/white model.

    An important point is what is being sold in the U.S. isn’t necessarily what’s being sold elsewhere. Right now, it looks like the U.S. is selling 2018s as F700/800 and not selling F750/850 BMWs. Not at all surprising.

    By the way, if the video is from August, it’s possible Europe got the blue and white, however it’s still identified as a new color for 2018. Another release I just read said red and Ostra grey are discontinued on the 2018 F700 models and the Catalona grey is gone on the F800GSA. We’ll know more as 2018 models start appearing in showrooms.

    Ask your local U.S. dealership when they expect to get F750/850 models in house. I’m pretty confident their answers will either be “I don’t know” or “Not this year”.
  7. morfic

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    I figured a 19/17 combination I'll appreciate more than a 21/17 since I'll be driving to work every day on city streets and what I end up doing on weekends *might* have a dirt road mixed in. (And I'm more and more leaning towards sticking to fun pavement)
    Why get an ADV bike then? Riding position.
    I didn't want to get back into riding on an experiment but a sure fire bike.
    I fit ok on my XT500 but was much better matched to my brother in law's XT600 and TT600.
    I'll likely never load my bike up so the bike's weight will always matter.
    Tank size and range is the only thing I probably really dislike on my bike, it's not Texas sized.
    So getting a bigger bike that's heavier with a downsized tank wouldn't make any sense anymore.



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  8. Capt CF

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    This makes complete sense to me...except the motor part. The delta between the two motors is small enough that, as a 700 owner, I find it annoying and from a manufacturing standpoint I can't see how it makes any sense to continue to build the two slightly different powerplants. It's not like we're talking about a KLR vs. a 1290 SA. Then I could totally see the "targeting beginners with a tamer motor" argument. I am sure they did their research though and there must be a market for it otherwise they wouldn't bother building it.
  9. Woody2627

    Woody2627 Grey Wobbler

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    There appears to be a bit of a misunderstanding about the different power levels of the models. The 650/700's are not so much detuned as retuned. They do have less peak power, yes, but at lower revs, where a lot of us ride them, they actually have more power than the 800's. That means they can run higher gearing for better MPG and a smoother ride. I have no desire to have 800 power if I only get the extra at revs I never ride at anyway.
    To me it makes perfect sense the way they are tuned.
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  10. krussell

    krussell Long timer

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    The 750 never has more power than the 850. Same for the 700 vs 800.

    750-850.png 700-800.png
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  11. Woody2627

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    I stand corrected, IIRC the 650 did but I will probably be wrong there too. From the graph though, you can see the 800 pulls away at 5000 revs, I seldom get up into that rev range and I'm sure I'm not alone.
  12. krussell

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    I'm the same way, I'd rarely use the extra that the 850 offers.
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    FWIW BMW's comparison of the F700GS to the F650GS.
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    The whole 650/700 debacle has been a marketing disaster from the beginning. Calling an 800 a 650 and then giving it a bland paint job next to the more modern looking 800, along with selling at as a detuned bike was always going to push it down the sales charts. The fact is they are 2 different bikes, for 2 different purposes, and they should have been marketed that way. By my count, there have been 6 different F800's, which includes the road models. Only 1 is designated as a 650, which was sold alongside a 650 which was also designated as a 650. That is why there have been so many people here asking about lowering the 800, they actually want a 650/700/750, they just don't realise it.

    The 650/700/750 slots in between the road twins and the more dirt oriented F800GS, and is tuned and geared to reflect that. If the dipshits at BMW marketing had realised that they would have sold a lot more of them. I don' know how many times I have read on this forum where people thought the 800 was too tall, didn't want the underpowered 650 so went looking elsewhere.

    I would suggest there is more real world power differences between the 750 and 850 because of the gearing differences than state of tune.
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  15. Woody2627

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    FYI

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    As you can see, the 650 has more peak torque, at lower revs, than the 800. Much more useful for general riding. I know this is for the 650, and it appears that the 700 and 750 motors don't show the same results, but that's because the beemer boffins have further lost the plot.
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  16. Teeonethousand

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    I have the 800 in F650 form and it goes perfectly well for everyday use. I have read others saying 6th is useless etc yet mine is perfectly fine and pulls strongly from about 40 all the way up. Like most I am probably not capable of using all of the power all of the time and so if it's more than I need I don't really care how much more.
  17. acap650

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    I've said before and I'll say it again, there would have been far less confusion if the F800ST would have been called F800GT from the get-go and the F650GS Twin named F800ST. This how it was done with the R80GS and its more road oriented mate, the R80ST. While there was an R65GS sold in Europe it was truly a 650cc.
  18. grease pants

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    I'm going to the L.A. mc show tomorrow and I would love it if BMW brought this to their booth....

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  19. 4bikes

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    I hope it is at least as high as the current bike..
  20. grease pants

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    I was very sad BMW didn't bring the 850 to the long beach show... KTM and Yamaha didn't show their new adv's either... after that slap in the face, I need a drink