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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by slipknot, Jun 29, 2017.
Hopefully, you get decent weather for a proper ride.
Good luck, you're gonna love the DCT.
It seems that I recall that this is true. When I did my demo ride the salesman was very well versed in much of the technology. When the key fob moves a certain distance from the bike the luggage locks. I also seem to recall that the auto lock feature is easily turned off.... you might not want the luggage unlocked just because you were within that distance but perhaps also out of eyesight or being distracted.
I am interested in seeing it in person and seeing it next to the older gen bike to see what size difference there is. My wife and I don't want to do cross country rides but more longer day rides or weekend get a ways and not something we want to do on my SV650. Like I said before, a new bike isn't in the budget and the bike I'd like is a FJR but I have to admit this new gen looks great and the features it has would really be nice.....the weight of it not so much.
As a magazine/rally photographer, the idea of auto locking bags sounds like a match made in heaven for me as I am always in and out of my bags for batteries, bodies, and lenses.
Yeah I've always been dubious about those claims of fitting a helmet in the side bags. Seems optimistic to me, from most manufacturers. I have a big head, big helmet, always full face... My R1200R had really large hard shell factory cases and if I remember correctly the helmet wouldn't have fitted in there either.
The thing with aftermarket is that I'm sure these guys are on top of the forums. They distill the major complaints and hone in on that cause that's where the money is. That's where farkles and upgrades will sell. I'm sure someone is already reverse engineering the lids and pretty soon there will be 3rd party lids available giving you that extra space (within reason, you wouldn't want these things to stick out super wide, and I agree that the problem is mostly the sectional area being to small, which you can't change obviously)
Like I said, not interested to own a goldwing anytime soon, but I am always interested in any type of two wheeled vehicle. There's usually zero chance of test riding japanese bikes in Europe, ever. But I'll keep my eyes open, definitely want to have a go at some point.
I thought I'd read everything on the new GW Tour, but I learned a few things when I visited the dealer today.....
It's a noticeably smaller motorcycle, more so than I expected; it was almost like 15/16ths the size of the "regular" 'Wing. I liked it; it looked "right-sized" to me, a guy who prefers a sporty tourer.
The storage capacity was also smaller than expected. I knew it was gonna be small, but not that small. Seemed more sport-touring sized; I suspect that it compares with my ST1300 with a Givi top case. The lids opened & closed easily and were very nicely damped. Quality. But I'm pretty sure I'd need a duffle riding pillion to accommodate my camping & traveling stuff....
I expected bigger radiators. The side-mounted radiators appeared a bit undersized for the engine, but when viewed from the front there was a lot of volume left in the front wheel well for them to gulp in large amounts of air. No fork tubes to impede airflow.
It sounded really good. The starter/generator kicks it to life without any starter noises; it's as if the engine just starts itself. Whisper quiet at idle, but small throttle blips revealed a nice, deep exhaust note. Smooth...not lumpy or pulsed. Unlike the ST1300 (whose engine internals sound kinda sewing-machiney & capped with a super quiet exhaust), the GW is the opposite: quiet from the engine compartment, throaty out the tailpipes.
If you lose the key fob, you can do a "secret handshake" with the bike to put it in "learn mode". You need the spare/regular key to do this through a hidden access panel above the license plate which opens the left sidecase. Inside, there's a secret pull cable that runs across to open the right case. Now the bike is ready for its code, so you tap in your bike's personal number (like 9 or 10 digits) on what appears to be a simple release button (not a keypad) for a compartment on the lower right fairing. At some point, you will have completed the puzzle and the bike will start without the fob. The bike comes with 1 fob, 2 keys, and its own personal number code. You either need the fob -- or you need a spare key and the PIN. Without the PIN, the spare key is useless for getting the bike running (although you can open the sidecases with the spare key). I think I got all that right.....
It was a bit of a lump to get it off the center stand -- but once it was, it was remarkably light-feeling. I knew the mass was there, but it's carried sooo low that it almost felt as though the tires were resting in 6 inches of memory foam & resisting any propensity to flop over. It made my ST1300 suddenly felt super top-heavy; the CG contrast was remarkable and I'm anxious to see how it manifests itself once underway. Getting it back on the center stand was cake, btw.
No demo bikes yet & apologies if everything above is 205. They should have their first demo around the end of the month. I'm on the list....
I feel like I'm coming out of the closet, but for a long time I've been a secret Goldwing admirer. The new 2018 has had me burning through gigabytes of Youtube videos watching the reviews for this bike.
I have never ridden a GW, but have had several Hondas in the past including a ST1100 and now a ST1300. I have a feeling that my next road bike will be a GW...
The new GW looks great to me. I saw a video where Honda engineers explained that they wanted to make it smaller and deliver more of a motorcycle experience. The tech looks great and the front suspension should suit the bike. I am a big fan of BMW's telelever and duolever front ends for road bikes, transmitting just enough feel while eliminating the minor stuff I don't need to know about. In the wet it's almost cheating.
There seem to be 2 main criticisms of the new GW. First, luggage. At first I thought Honda had messed up here. But thinking about it, maybe they do know what they are doing. Making the bike smaller should make it everyday useable. Smaller (narrower?) panniers will make city riding much easier and still be big enough for daily chores. For one-up trips, there is plenty of space to add bags on the pillion seat. For two-up trips.... well the storage on the Oldwing probably wouldn't have been enough for my wife anyway. A long 2-up trip for me would need a trailer on any bike. Luggage capacity on the new GW seems to be about the same as the K1600GTL.
The other criticism is the fuel tank size. Here I think Honda may have the only flaw on the bike. Yeah, it uses less fuel, but as many other have said, you can never have too much unless you are on fire. Losing 4 litres seems a bad idea. It's not the first time Honda has done this, the VFR1200 came with a much smaller tank than the VFR800 (18.5l vs 22l) and the original VTR1000 came with a pitiful 16l tank which was later upgraded to 19l. Honda should have at least kept the tank the same size as the Oldwing and then shouted from the rooftops about how clever they are extending the range, IMHO.
But overall I think Honda have done a great job. Even the colours are great, I like the dark red best myself but really wouldn't be disappointed with any of them. I think Honda will attract new GW fans with this bike (like me). I'm sure anyone getting a new GW will love it.
Of course some current Oldwing owners prefer their bikes - the usual story when any new model is launched. The good news for them is that they can continue to enjoy their bikes without too much fear of wearing them out, and will save a stack of cash not buying a new bike and a load of extras they already have on their current bikes.
I'd better start putting in for some overtime....
I'm curious to see some warm weather reviews. This thing has got to be a foot roaster.
Yes that will be good to know. The ST1300 gets stupid hot.
I think Honda was right on the money. The pattern is starting to become clear, and Honda knew exactly what they were doing (obviously, they're not stupid). What everyone was suggesting in this topic, is the actual trend, and is panning out exactly that way. The new GW will appeal to people who were already on the heavy sport tourers (ST, Kaw 1400 GTR) and want to mellow out just a little more, but not too much. And get a taste of the inline six goodness...
The old GW was several bridges too far into dreadnought class, this one gets it just right. I have never had much interest in these types of bikes, but I am strangely intrigued by the new GW. (too expensive for my blood though).
And as was mentioned in above posts as well, the old owners can hold on to their current wing, if that's the one they prefer, for at least another decade. It's a honda after all. From the reports here, the old one is starting to be properly discounted, so they can even snap up a new old one at reduced price if so desired.
But the new one will bring a fresh perspective and a big batch of new owners. Which is exactly what any model refresh should do.
Also the previous oversized GW was an anomaly. If we say this one is 15/16th, then I would call the old one 16/15th of a normal motorcycle. It's a relic of a time and a place that is never coming back. Downsizing is the name of the game, even in this class. Triumph even dropped the rocket all together.
I'm sure there will be a mid life cycle refresh with a bigger fuel tank. Honda will say they listened to the customer base. Oldest trick in the book. . As for storage duffel bag is the way to go it seems.
I have to say I agree. The Oldwing is a big bike. It's one of the things I found intriguing about it, but also a reason why I didn't consider one seriously. A bit of a circus freak maybe. The slightly smaller and lighter Goldwing has to be a step in the right direction. During the pre-2018 release speculation, I never once saw anyone who wanted the new GW to be bigger and heavier.
Honda had a hit with the Africa Twin. I reckon the GW will be good for them too.
Re: the radiators. I’ve heard that they are the reason for the speed limiting feature. Maybe the radiators can’t keep up at “elevated” speeds, not a stability issue. Hmm
Does the new one have the foot heaters that can be turned on and off like the old model? This winter I have been thinking that feature would be nice
The short answer is no.
Some will say yes, but they are always on.
Time will tell.
The Rocket Roadster is still on the Triumph U.S. website. The Rocket Touring and the entire Thunderbird line are not.
The persistent rumor is in the next year or so Triumph is taking the Rocket out to a full 2.5 liters and giving it a full electronics suite, i.e. RBW, IMU, TC, etc.
Regarding the new Wing's luggage capacity, one thing I really liked about the huge storage on my Victory XCT was the ability on day rides to lock up all the riding gear while we wandered around our destination. This looks like it might be a challenge on the new Wing depending on how large a person you are.
We like to do the same thing on my Ultra and wound up getting a duffle I could just use a bike lock on to secure it to the topbox. It's kind of a pain but worked in a pinch.
Okay, who has been having fun with a 2018??
Social media feed had this photo - might be somewhere in Europe??
Routine oil change?
Nah... I'm betting it was front brake pad change.