New adventure bike

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by jorgeAbreu, Apr 12, 2013.

  1. jorgeAbreu

    jorgeAbreu n00b

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    Hello.
    I'm new here and I hope I'm putting this in the correct place.

    First of all, some background to help you to help me:
    I...:
    - am 33 years old
    - am 1,85 m (6'1") tall
    - had experience with a Suzuki GSR600 (first bike) for 1 year
    - want luggage space
    - want a multi task bike (75% road / 25% dirt)
    - am planning a 10000 km (6213 miles) trip
    - made a (not so) short list:
    - BMW R1200GS (Adventure??)
    - Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere
    - Honda VFR 1200 CrossTourer
    - KTM 1190 Adventure
    - Triumph Tiger.

    My initial preference was with the BMW. After all, half of the world shouldn't be wrong. But when I start reading some reviews, I realized that the conclusion wasn't so straight. And that longitudinal boxer engine always makes some confusion to me. Doesn't the bike twists with the torque? In the other the GS is much lighter than all the others, which is a big advantage for off-road use.

    The Super Tenere is my 2nd choice. I like it very much but it is a lot heavier.

    What's the opinion of you guys, who own one of these? I'm planning to make a test ride, of course, but I would like to ear some experts.

    Thank you.
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  2. Blue&Yellow

    Blue&Yellow but orange inside...

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    If you really are going to be riding 25% dirt I would pick a smaller lighter bike than those listed. Something like the KTM 990 or BMW 800 takes a good amount of luggage, fits your size and can do extended touring.

    BMW F800GS with TKC80 tyres would be a very good option, has good fuel mileage and so on. The 990 is more fun and better for real offroad but a little less easy to live with.

    Or perhaps the Triumph 800 XC?

    Or go cheap - DR650! :lol3

    Tours, goes offroad, costs nothing!

    In any case buying a +450 lbs offroad bike as your second bike and your first offroad bike isn't that great. You want to start out pretty small.

    But the F800GS could be good, it's surprisingly forgiving and easy to learn on.
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    RocketJohn Hook em' Horns!

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  4. bmac

    bmac Been here awhile

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    Jorge,
    You might want to post your location as things are quite a bit different here in the US. For us the BMW is quite a bit pricier than the Yamaha so that helps some of us make the decision.

    The Yamaha does seem to have the best record for reliability.

    There are definitely a lot of folks choosing the BMW but they do seem to have more than there expected share of issues. That being said there are still plenty of folks that ride trouble free for many years with their BMW and I wouldn't second guess your decision to go that route if you decide to do so.
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  5. Redlabel

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    Vstrom 650. Suits all my needs. Price is right, cheap to run and service. Very reliable. Fun to ride. What more can you ask for?
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  6. kirb

    kirb should be out riding

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    Careful of the published weight numbers....use actual measured vvalues by someone who isn't BMW.
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  7. jorgeAbreu

    jorgeAbreu n00b

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    I'm from Portugal. Here the BMW is pricier too. :(

    About Yamaha I read a lot about its reliability. That's another reason why I'm in doubt about those two. I like the BMW but I also like reliable stuff. :D

    Are you telling me that the official numbers from BMW aren't real? Do they miss something? Aren't they considering all the equipment?!
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  8. kirb

    kirb should be out riding

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    BMW GS ADV published- 564 lbs fully fueled (505 lbs dry)
    Guzzi NTX published- 598lbs ready to ride

    Someone put both on a scale:
    http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=58332.0

    Both bikes, comparably equipped, 1/2 tank of fuel:
    2012 Guzzi Stelvio NTX 616.2 pounds
    2012 BMW R1200GSA 618.4 pounds
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  9. cug

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    Apples ... Oranges. Published weights are with minimum equipment, no case mounts, no cases, no ABS, no ESA, no nothing. Easy to get another 50lbs together. The racks and cases alone are more than 30 ...

    Will be just slightly easier nowadays where ABS is standard.

    The BMW numbers are probably real, just not for bikes that customers actually have because most bikes come fully equipped (and try to get a plain standard without anything here ...).
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  10. HooliKen

    HooliKen Awesome is a flavor

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    Everytime I see this I get angry.......FU Yamaha for not bringing that bike here...FU! No seriously FU! :D

    The more dirt you plan to ride the farther down the list the big BMW should go. The GS is an excellent bike but would be my absolute last choice to ride offroad. The suggestion of either the GS800 or KTM990 is excellent. Even better if you can find a carb'd KTM 950.
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  11. Pecha72

    Pecha72 Long timer

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    I agree on thet. At least the big 4 Japanese have agreed several years ago, that all published weights should be ´curb weight´, means the bike is ready to ride, with all liquids, battery, tank full of fuel inside, but no accessories fitted...

    But the reality with the weight figures unfortunately remains far more complicated.
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  12. jorgeAbreu

    jorgeAbreu n00b

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    Thanks kirb. Excelent comparison.
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  13. kirb

    kirb should be out riding

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    Actually, Apples-apples. The NTX and ADV are about as close as you can get to the same 'stuff' put on them as shipped.

    'Hey, here is the bike with all the cases, crash bars, skid plates, etc removed....enjoy.' Riders don't remove hard fixed parts when riding, so why does BMW weigh them that way?

    My point is that you must use a 3rd party source for weight numbers. MFGs pull all kind of tricks to get the weight down.
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  14. jorgeAbreu

    jorgeAbreu n00b

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    Do you know any source for (real) weight numbers?

    Thanks.
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    ABHooligan The Flying Mythos

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    I know it isn't on your list, but what about the G650GS or Sertao? Light and nimble, good fuel economy, decent off-road ability. It's very smooth for a single-cylinder and has decent power.

    I would never recommend a 'beast' for someone's first (or close to) motorcycle. Too much weight, too far to reach the ground. Quite a few other bikes do the same job equally well-how many of us actually NEED 600lb liter-engine 'adventure bikes'?
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  17. Dubl-A

    Dubl-A SuckerDucker

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    If you have the dough, get the 1190 :thumb
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  18. strider.deano

    strider.deano Been here awhile

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    Jorge,
    You haven't stated whether you will be two-up? The 800 class bikes (F800, 800XC and F650) provide a great platform as rider only long distance bikes. They all can provide adequate room and power for two-up, but multi-week, 6000 mile trips two-up would generally be pushing it.
    With the right tires, crash protection and ability any three of these bikes would perform pretty well on gravel/dirt roads. But as the tracks get narrower, steeper and rocky, the F800 appears perform a little better.
    The F650 is a sweet little bike. Great mpg, maybe a bit more reliable than the F800 but lacks the torque of the other two.
    The 800XC is a solid road performer, easily outperforming the other two in road manners. With a TKC on the front and a K60 shoed to the back, this bike is fantastic in nearly all off pavement situations. In steep or big rock terrain it feels a little top heavy.
    My 2011 800XC has been bulletproof through 13k, other than first year fuel mapping issues (fixed by dealer ASAP). This bike has been the funnest I've owned in 28 years.
    Unless you have unlimited funds, the bike you choose will a comprise.
    The all the "big" bikes provide is a bit more power, but they're heavier and more costly.
    The "smaller" bikes maybe lighter and less expensive, but they are less fun to me.


    Whatever you decide.....ride them all. Ride them in slow tight turns, off road if possible. Ride them on freeways in fast heavy traffic. Ride them in stop and go traffic and in the fast twisty canyons. Ask about the oil change procedure and ease of maintenance.
    Do this and you will find the one that speaks to you.

    Oh and one more thing.........hurry up, riding season is here!
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  19. jorgeAbreu

    jorgeAbreu n00b

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    My FIRST bike was a Suzuki GSR600, +200Kg (450lb), 100cv... scary machine! :) I think you just have to have your head at the top of your shoulders. :D I do like big bikes... I was at the Yamaha dealer yesterday I seated on a XT1200Z Super Ténéré with my both feet completely flat on the ground. And the seat can be lowered. I'm 1,85m (6' 1") tall. I think I can handle it.

    Although I mentioned initial 25% off-road use, that number is an optimistic (or pessimistic!) one. I should do less.
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  20. jorgeAbreu

    jorgeAbreu n00b

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    Thank you very much for your opinion. :)

    I do like the 1200's ones. And of course I will test all of them. Yesterday I went to Yamaha's but they didn't have one for test ride. :(

    Regarding consumption, what MPG's do you make with your 800XC?
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