New Africa Twin 2014

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by zippy700, Jul 17, 2013.

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  1. Pulasky

    Pulasky Been here awhile

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    honda should buy a licence for KTM 990 ADV and make them as a Honda brand with Honda quality...successor AT already exist.
  2. GrahamD

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    What I was saying is that it is no more a turd than most production versions of race bikes.

    No one sells race bikes in general. They sell approximate race bikes, with regulation requirements and some refinements like a more moderate power band, the ability top take regularly available fuel, the ability to run the chain for more than 1 leg etc and even legal to drive on the street.

    But just as with the 1200cc Super Tenere, companies take a bit of license with the name as well,

    So for some people the current Super Tenere is a turd because it is not as capable in in a Race as the Previous Super Tenere (750) in a race, but if you actually look past the sticker it's fine as a large "softroader" RTW bike.

    Same with the AT.

    They also sell CBR1000's as the fast bike for boy racers on the street. It may even have Repsol stickers and colours all over it, but it is not a RC213V, and if Predrossa grabbed one of them by mistake, he would wonder why he was riding such a heavy slow turd.

    Same kind of deal.

    Depends whether you are a actual experienced Racer or a normal good rider off the street. Honda has to make the call, and my only complaint with Honda is that they may be a bit conservative in how much they de-tune things.

    But I personally wouldn't be calling the AT a turd, it is what it is. If you want to call it turd that's up to you.
  3. byron555

    byron555 Lame Duck Adventurer

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    It would be notable that GrahamD has some interesting ideas to say the least... Not much thought goes into these ideas, mostly, they tend to be contrary to anyone else's ideas, and contrary to his own on a post by post basis. A bike based on a CB1000 4 cylinder mill makes about as much sense as selling snowmobiles in Florida. Basically useless... In ADV bikes going over 2 cylinders is risky (the verdict on triumph 3 cyl is still out, but not too bad)

    That being said, I see a new version of the African Twin (or whatever name) as this:
    -A, mostly, single rider bike with a flat non-stepped seat.
    -About 65hp, adequate for one and luggage
    -4 gallons of gas with good MPG (about 65 MPG real world)
    -Suspension/wheels/brakes, easily crossed with other models (CRF450F)
    -A "budget" version, keep in mind that components (listed above) are easy to swap in.
    -Around or less than 415lbs
    -Twin cylinder, duh... African Twin?

    Flame on GrahamD...
  4. snakebitten

    snakebitten Small Town Hick

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    Graham flaming?

    Read hundreds of his posts. Not really his style.

    I'll agree he borders on being a cynic when discussing predictions in the market. But his foundation is pretty well rooted in the current and recent trends. It's not like he's grabbing at thin air.

    Me? I'm a natural optimist. I want very much to believe Honda is gonna shock the world. Except I don't really need it to be Honda. I'm ok if any of the manufacturers step up to the plate and meet the , admittedly niche desires, of the folks that eat-sleep-dream the NEW AT. I find myself a bit mesmerized by it too. Those photos posted earlier of the 4 heavily modified bikes are intriguing.
  5. GrahamD

    GrahamD Long timer

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    Borders? :lol3 :rofl
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    GrahamD Long timer

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    Completely sensible suggestion I reckon.

    You may find that the CBR1000DAKAR suggestion is just an cynical extrapolation of the latest bullshit power and gadget wars that seem to have invaded the space as road riders head to stores in droves to pick up their latest must have lifestyle accessory and head to the dick swinging convention 50Km down the road.

    The fact that you thought I was serious I think proves something.

    I also wouldn't be surprised if it happens. :deal
  7. byron555

    byron555 Lame Duck Adventurer

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    Who says I want "it" to be honda.... I am a yamaha guy, and have been for years. But I am not anti-Honda, that is my "2nd" favorite brand... if that really matters.. I do look at posts #'s, and GrahamD is a at 4k+ since 2009, which in my book, (at internet face value) makes him a posser(more time posting than living). And this goes to face value. I have been here for 2 years more and have posted about 900 times. 900 times since 2007, with small children, and a bitchy wife (that is my own problem). I do ride as much as I can in my situation, about 4K+ a year.... Snakebitten, maybe you are the same guy, a 2nd name... don't care, add, don't subtract...
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    That would be Poseur often misspelled poser. :deal

    I might stop posting now. I am all hurt. :cry
  9. byron555

    byron555 Lame Duck Adventurer

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    I am not trying to hurt your feelings... It is just that, well, you try so hard, and you have too much time.

    you need some kids and or a wife.... It totally destroys a persons life.... without being a troll...
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    byron555 Lame Duck Adventurer

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    No matter, I must stop, GrahamD can do etc.... we are all screwed!
  11. snakebitten

    snakebitten Small Town Hick

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    You mean I'm really GrahamD?

    Nope. He lives almost exactly half way around the world, AND on the other side of the equator.

    Strangely though, I did ride a Yamaha Super Tenere within just a few miles from his house, I think. (Rental bike in Melbourne) He did NOT invite me to dinner or anything. I was devastated.

    If he ever finds himself in Texas, I assure you I WILL invite him for some good Mexican food. Or some BBQ.

    I post too much too.
  12. byron555

    byron555 Lame Duck Adventurer

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    so can I, at least on the internet. Regardless, I was in Florida doing the "Theme Park" thing with the family for a WHOLE week... Love the Fam. hate the theme parks... Not to mention I was doing the manly ( god I want to be anywhere but here) mandatory drinking in the evening just to get by... Holy hell the beer selection in Orlando sucks... Anyway I was being dickish, now I am home, good beer in hand, and much happier...

    Enough hijacking, on my end.. back to topic

    Of course I think my ideas are the best :evil
  13. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    You know, sometimes my GF makes me see some girly films. And sometimes, I confess, they get interesting and all. But let me tell you this, I always, and I mean always, like better to read about motorcycles, to learn about motorcycles and to talk about motorcycles. So, can we say now that the love story among you guys is over... let's put your romance drama and love exchanges to the side so we go back to the motorcycles? We were talking about turds, actually. The RD03 was a turd. And the Varadero was a more expensive and bigger turd. And now we are talking about HRC-lipstick on a turd. Now that took me to Alaska. And this is where a bike's story really counts. The real adventure bike should do those Alaskan roads well. Should travel to Tierra del Fuego sin problemas. And you know what? Any of those turds could do it very well. But can they do it as fast as Nick Sanders did on the Super Tenere? Ok, now we are back to bikes.
  14. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    Sanders is a freak, and I mean that in a good way.

    And Yamaha wanted to prove a point about durability, in the face of perceived strengths of BMW.

    So, um, fucks knows what the AT will be..
  15. snakebitten

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    Well, since you brought up the Tenere, :) , those that don't ride them would be shocked at what that Big Pig can accomplish.

    So if Yamaha can build a dirty 1200cc pig, why can't Honda?
    I think they can. Just wanna see if they will.
  16. lukasteam

    lukasteam Life is beautiful !!!

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    I guess the community is split in two camps : one wants a light weight rally bike , kind off like KTM690 . Other half wants a full blown Honda adventure bike kind off like Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 ... oh wait and there is one more camp , it's the ones that post just for the sake of posting and consider everybody's opinion nonsense except theirs :buellerbut I'll leave that to "Jo mamma" ...
    Anyway ... according to the rumors and it's just rumors , 1000cc Vara/Superhawk engine , cable clutch , high front fender , Honda is going to build a 1000cc KLR . Basic , simple, good on the road and quite manageable off road , not too heavy not too light , but in the right hands a swiss knife .
    I also have to agree with Snakebitten . Yamaha S10 is a heavy bike , but it shines everywhere except sand . I took it to some fire roads during my test drive in Colorado and it is a very capable adventure bike , probably the best out there at the moment . Great traction control made me feel like a Dakar hero fishtailing all over the place , but putting things in straight line when I got carried away too much .
    Cheers ...
  17. Two Plugs

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    Have to correct you on the prices...
    When the XL1000V Varadero was introduced (september 1998), the price line up (Dutch list prices, that means a BIG amount of silly taxes) was like this:

    1998
    Honda XL600V Transalp: € 8000,-
    Honda XRV750 Africa Twin: € 10.275,-
    Honda XL1000V Varadero: € 10.725,-

    The only 'too expensive turd' in this list ís the old Africa Twin. Keeping in mind, that it had only 10 Bhp more than the Transalp, but was over 30kg more heavy...

    Strange is the (very little) price difference to the MK1 Varadero. Which was 20 kg more heavier than the Africa Twin (253 kg), but 98 Bhp.

    I would love a new Honda Vtwin dual sport bike in the 10.000-12.000 price range... Even if it is designed as a turd... :D
  18. milzispete

    milzispete Conquistador

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    I'm in the camp that wants a twin version of the KTM 690 enduro R.

    sorry guys but coprophilia just isn't my thing
  19. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    Have to correct you on your reading comprehension. :lol3
    I never said "too expensive." I said more expensive and bigger. Which you confirm on both counts based on your 1998 turd data. :d
    Now, I did not say which bike is more lekker.
  20. wingnut11

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    Me too, and I don't care which factory it comes from. Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, KTM. The first one to build something like that is going to have to deal with me trying force a pile dollar bills down their throat.
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