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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by crankshaft, Sep 6, 2011.
Oh hell, I'm quite amused.
There's a reason, it's a complete pile of shit.
Fuel injection certainly improves fuel economy, but the complexity doesn't by definition lead to a better bike ...<o></o>
We are fortunate here in having a long-time KTM dealership with mechanics who have been working on these bikes since they were introduced – there is only one older KTM dealership in Australia ...
My point to someone a few pages back was that 690s are very complex bikes – and in my case an issue has arisen under warranty that continues to fox experienced mechanics and the tech mob at KTM Australia – if we can fix the issue (and I expect we will eventually) then the bike may prove reliable – but is it a good ADV bike?
The jury is out on that one, IMO – complexity isn’t necessarily what you want – at this point I admit I would probably prefer a mint condition 625 SXC – similar specs to the 690, but SIMPLE and easily fixable ... [/QUOTE]
I think you completely misunderstood the point of my post...which was simply....that many dealers were not/are not experienced in diagnosing and repairing the new fuel injected bikes. Some of them have become since the introduction but many still are not very good at it.
And I would further say that KTM 690's are no more complex than the earlier bikes. The engines still work the same way they just have more electronic bits on them...which you may view as more complex but I find less complex than the voodoo of carbureter tuning...or carburetter tuning depending on which spelling floats your ducky.
And carbureted has only one "T" while carburetted has two "T"s...as apparently it can be spelled both ways
car·bu·ret (kärb-rt, -rt, -by-)
tr.v. car·bu·ret·ed or car·bu·ret·ted, car·bu·ret·ing or car·bu·ret·ting, car·bu·rets
To combine or mix (a gas, for example) with volatile hydrocarbons, so as to increase available fuel energy.
The last time I rode with a friend who was on his X-challenge...the X challenge died mysteriously on top of a mountain and would not restart. We were very lucky in that a friend was close by with the truck to haul the bike home. Crankshaft can fill you in on that one.
My 950A was a great bike and I got 20,000 plus miles out of it with very few problems. It was a simple machine with known problems that were well documented but quite bitched over when they first came out.
My old F8GS had quite a few problems tbh, never stoped me from traveling though.
Ews ring, ABS issues, leaking gaskets, battery, wheel bearing, crap rims, shock bolt etc etc.
Oh and 625 is nice if you like short rides, for adv... HEHE
Carburetted can be spelt both ways in the US, but only one way anywhere else I was astonished when living over there to discover how few Americans have passports, but if any of you do think of travelling then maybe keep the spelling in mind ...
And Seth we seem now to be in agreement re my original point: viz the complexity of the 690 I explain that the local shop is fortunately one of Australias oldest (and largest) KTM dealers, and has been servicing EFI bikes since their introduction (BTW: they also sell and service Ducati, Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki) and yet you suggest that even these people may not be up to the task of diagnosing the problem with my 690 additional expertise may be required if true, is this really a bike you want to take out into the bush?<?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o></o>
On all fronts, time will tell ...<o></o>
I love riding the bike, theres no denying that but Im not sure that its the whole package for ADV riders perhaps Ill have no other probs once this issue is resolved ...
I'm thinking about putting a baja designs squadron led on my bike but while I was out and about on the interwebnet looking for info, I stumbles across ktmtwins online sales for said light...
..... Which states that the light is only direct for for 2008 and 2012 headlight masks???
One, I won't buy it from ltm twins cuz it's $30 extra there, and two, I know they aren't a tech site, but can anyone clarify? Is my 2011 headlight different that an 08 and a 12?
It's probably more expensive because the headlight area is larger on the 08/12 model. In between ktm used the small exc headlight/screen along with a lousy small dash compared to the nice large one with tach. Pretty sure ktm twins has the one for the 09-11 for msrp.
now im baffled.... from the KTMTWINS site:
The Baja Designs Squadron 3"x3" LED Light Kit is a radical new upgradet to any KTM EXC, XCW and XCFW models 08-2012 including 2009-2011 690 Enduro R's. Their Squadron motorcycle light is the next generation of LED lighting. The Squadron is designed specifically for aggressive night-time riding by combining amazing distance projection, wide peripheral spread and a smooth light pattern. This light utilizes four CREE XML LEDs - the brightest, most efficient LEDs on the market to give you a blinding 3600 lumens. Not only is the Squadron the brightest LED light on the market, but it also only draws 3.6 amps. If youre looking for the ultimate in LED lighting for your motorcycle the Baja Designs Squadron is your answer!
*** Only drops into the stock headlight mask on the 2008 and 2012 690 Enduro Rs" ***
from BD's site:
This kit allows for the Baja Designs Squadron 3"x3" LED light to be added to any KTM models 08-2012.
so, worst case, can i order a 08 or 12 mask and fit it directly to the 11?
It will fit ALL KTM 2008 THRU 2012 and Now 2013
I just installed this light into my Rally Raid EVO2 faring !!!!!!
Yellowpig turned me onto a dimmer setup that looks pretty cool, the skene design, did you use a dimmer by any chance? Which one?
Baja Dad- Check your PM, speedy delivery is on the way.
It's 6 "links" difference, will chain fit?
I have the latest Skene dimmer -IQ 175 - on order for my Squadron (soon to be dual), should be getting here today. From my research I liked the functionality of this one the best, and all the reviews are very good. I would just lose or break the BD remote dimmer.
Has anyone actually installed one of these on a 2012? I trashed my front mask and headlight recently and wanted to replace it with a BD Squadron, but after doing some research it didn't appear to the the proper shape to fit into the 2012 mask. I called BD directly and they said they didn't have any data on it and could not guarantee compatibility. Ended up going with a X2 instead. Would have rather gone with the Squadron, but bike isn't streetable without a front light and didn't want to delay getting it back on the road by buying a $300 light that may not fit properly.
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I spent last night comparing the fork inners between my 2003 525EXC & my 690R. I'm so very happy with the plushness of my 525 forks.
1st thing I find out, the cartridge is smaller on the 690. Whoops. I guess this will not be a direct copy of the shim stacks. :huh It took me up until late last night to figure out how the 2 different diameter stacks compared. Got It!
I found I can closely match my 525 shim stack functions with all the existing shims in the 690.
Other items to be figured out. My 525 uses .48 springs. The 690 .52 stock. I will give my old set 0f .48 from my 950 a run for a bit.
Next difference is the oil level. Hmmm, the 690 had 115mm, the 525 is 140mm. Any thoughts on a good starting point? I was thinking of starting at 120mm.
Bolt your 525 forks on the 690 and try it out. you will need to push the fork tubes up a bit (1.5") in the clamps
the 525 forks are OA longer hence the bigger fork oil number
Crankshaft has a set of the SXS forks on his bike...you will have to check with him on how he positioned the forks. I think RRUK was working on a longer rear shock option...as in 300 mm travel vs 250mm? which I think the R is....or maybe the E is 250mm and the R is 280mm...either way they were working on an even longer one
The 690 is not an ADV bike at all.