New Baja Designs Squadron LED Motorcycle Light

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by Baja Diego, Nov 29, 2011.

  1. Westy123

    Westy123 Old Sod

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    Hi, How do you get the 'ADV' discount and how much is it?

    Also to connect the light once mounted is it a straight connection to a bar mounted switch that has an inline fuse as you would with any additional light?

    Many thanks Rob
  2. cyborg

    cyborg Potius Sero Quam Numquam

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    Sparrowhawk, that black adaptor shown on the Polisport is actually black anodized aluminum, the 3x3 Squadron bolts securely to that.

    This is actually what I have left over after the project.

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  3. cyborg

    cyborg Potius Sero Quam Numquam

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    Westy,

    I ran a test of current draw on the Squadron when I got home after work today. I have a test setup that makes it easy to do with a very accurate DC amp meter and an inline fuse adapter I made. I just hooked up to the headlight circuit (Fuse 3) and ran it through 0% up to 100% with the Skene dimmer, which is programmable in brightness range: 0 – 100% in 10% subjective brightness increments.

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    My readings (rounded up @ 14.3V idling):

    Off = .013A = .19W
    0% = .015A = .22W
    10%= .032A = .46W
    20%= .042A = .60W
    30%= .16A = 2.3W
    40%= .42A = 6.1W
    50%= .74A = 10.6W
    60%= 1.13A = 16.2W
    70%= 1.56A = 22.3W
    80%= 2.05A = 29.3W
    90%= 2.92A = 41.7W
    100%= 3.14A = 44.9W

    My current "Low Beam" setting is 50% = ~11W.

    So, yes as you dim the LED light the power draw goes down quite quickly as you can see.
    This would be the same for for any PWM dimmer like BD's own dimmer.
  4. Yellow Pig

    Yellow Pig Allergic to Asphalt!

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    LED dimmers are PWM --> pulse width modulators, not rheostats. This means that they rapidly pulse the LEDs on and off to modulate attenuation. Low off pulse rate = brighter. Faster off pulse rate = dimmer. So it makes sense that the longer the LEDs are off the less they consume.

    The pulse is too fast to see w/ the naked eye, but if you look through your camera you can see the on/off flashing.
  5. Westy123

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    Hi Cyborg and Yellow Pig,

    Thanks for your test and comments. What you have tested/stated confirms what I thought but if I do not misunderstand BD seem to say the reverse and the power/current drawn remains the same at 44 watts regarless of the dimmer!!

    Regards Rob
  6. Shaggie

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    hi Westy!

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  7. Sparrowhawk

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    It might just be interpretation. LED dimmers are little, rapid on/off switches. The LED draws full watts when the switch is turned on, in this case 44. The power drops to near 0 when the dimmer turns off. So in a way, the LED is always running at full wattage with a dimmer but it is only doing that part of the time.

    The bike's electrical system sees the power draw as an average of the on and off current flow. If the dimmer is set so that the time it is turned off is equal the time it is on, the average wattage will be 50% of the full wattage, or 22 in this case. (50% marking on a dimmer may not correspond to actual 50% power.) There will undoubtedly be some power loss to running the electronics in the dimmer itself but that should be small.
  8. Baja Designs

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    Hey Rob,

    I apologize that was my fault and a little misunderstanding on my part. Yellowpig and Cyborg are correct. What I meant to say is that it remains at a constant 12volts while the amps go up and down as you dim or turn the light up. So yes the wattage changes. Volts x amps = watts. The Squadron operates on high at 12.8v x 3.5amps =44.8watts. As the Squadron is dimmed the amps lower ultimately lowering the watts. Sorry for the misinformation, I hope this clears things up. Thanks Dan and Clif for all the help. :D

    BD

    Gordon
  9. Baja Designs

    Baja Designs Baja Designs

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    Hey Sparrowhawk,

    You are correct it is very similar and I believe it could be adapted. I will pass the information along, we will have to format hardware. Also is that something you and others would really want? We have heard that that style of headlight shell is going out of style:D But I will definitely look into this further and see if I can get the ball rolling.

    Thanks,

    Gordon BD
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  10. Baja Designs

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    Hey Rob,

    The forum discount is 10% on everything and you can receive the discount by calling me. Yes, you are correct about how to hook up the Squadron, depending on your bike. Our harness is plug and play if you decide to build your own it would be the same as many aux lights. I have put the link below to show how the connections work, the bottom one inside the link is electric start with the Stator grounded. I hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions.

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    Thanks,

    Gordon BD
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  11. Sparrowhawk

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    Agreed, the rectangular is going out of style. However, most of the bikes running the old style rectangular have piss poor lights and not a bunch of watts out of their stator. I went HID conversion so I'm not in the market but if the Squadron was available a couple of years ago it would have been my top choice. Better light for less watts than an H4, what's not to like?

    There are lots of folks running a DR, DRZ, KLX, WRR, XRR/L, LC4, etc. Check out the thumpers forum. The only option to this point for somebody wanting an upgrade was something like your 8" race light in HID at cost close to $500. A Squadron conversion around $350 would look pretty good. An HID H4 conversion costs almost that much and involves a lot of fiddling to get it to work.

    You wouldn't sell a bazillion of them but you would make some folks happy for little effort on BD's part.
  12. Baja Designs

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    I completely agree, I will talk it over with our engineers and staff this week. We always appreciate suggestions, especially from BD supporters.

    Thanks,

    Gordon BD
  13. Motorfiets

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    does anyone have a comparison to this and the trailtech HID?
  14. ADVTuga

    ADVTuga Paulo Lança

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    Hi BD ! That looks sweeeeeeeeeet !!!! :clap

    Were can i buy this for my ´12 350 exc-f sixdays ?
  15. Baja Designs

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    Hey ADVTuga,

    Thanks we appreciate it:D You can buy this kit online on our website or feel free to give me a call and I can put the order in for you with a 10% ADV discount. Here is the link to the website LINK If you have any questions, just let me know.

    Thanks,

    Gordon BD
  16. everett

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    So if i understand this correct. Once I have the dimmer set to where I want it I dont need to carry the key fob around?

    Low beam = dimmer setting to what ever.

    High beam = 100%

    If this is true I'm buying one today for my little WRR:ricky

    Thanks,
    Everett.
  17. Baja Designs

    Baja Designs Baja Designs

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    Yes, you are correct. Please let me know if you have any questions.:D

    Thanks,

    Gordon BD
  18. cross-country

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    Indirectly, I have used the Diablo and X2 side by side and felt like they were interchangeable.

    I got the Squadron and compared it side by side with the Diablo and would say that the Squadron was an improvement on either HID. In addition, the Squadron seems less likely to get damaged by roost or a crash.
  19. traveltoad

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    I posted some photos in pages three, four and five of thise thread.
  20. Motorfiets

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    sorry I am looking in regards to the 8" model