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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by dtysdalx2, Nov 10, 2012.
Never buy the first model...
...next update will be the one,maybe...
This is a very competitive segment. These bikes are generally very, very good and comparing KTM and Ducati who are well established in the segment must be a bit difficult for Aprilia. The fact the new Capo is considered worthy to go up against other bikes in the segment says much about how good the new Capo might be.
If Aprilia does not abandon the model it might be serious competition.
especially if they follow up with wire wheels/smaller brother 750
wouldnt be that hard...
BTW,here's a couple of RED ONEs
For the US market,it will have to be priced aggressively. I'm surprised they have not yet released pricing. This bike will want to be in the sub $14K range (standard equipment) to sell well. If they can get it down to $13K so much the better. I predict it will not sell well at the $17K being reported in some of the trades. That price would almost be too high for a fully loaded one.
I don't say this because I think the bike isn't competitive, it just has to be
a sterling value here to get off the mark.
I've just finished reading thru this entire thread, a good one indeed. We were just speaking about the Caponord this weekend, and I have to agree with Mr. Pampero. I think the bike's success will come down to its pricing, and also wish that the people at Aprilia would have de-tuned the motor a little less, even if it meant sacrificing ten to fifteen miles from its range/fuel economy (admittedly tough to do when so many people these days want 200mi. a tankful). The bike seems to have all the right "stuff," and in some ways, the new similarly powered GS may be its best friend, as long as they price the Capo commensurately. I like the Aprilia brand, and how Piagio treats its customers, I'll never forget them for how wonderfully they handled the motor recall on their RSV4 Factory, good service goes a long way. One thing is for sure, they're really good at designing funky looking exhausts.
Here's to hoping that the Caponord sells well for the guys and gals from Noale.
Roundup of first impressions from a host of international journalists, looks like it was done right after the Sardinia launch event.
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Personal friends apart from the fact that I'm a customer. I imagine they will be cautious about bringing these in, just as a lot of American dealers with lesser reputations will be. I'm just guessing based on my intuition and my understanding of how they will view the machine's potential. As I said, a lot hinges on how Piaggio prices it.
I agree with Obie that Aprilia service has never let me down, but in my case I've always felt that reflects equally on Moto International as they are peerless in defending and serving their customers. To be frank I've not had much by way of problems with any of my Aprilias. The Falco could have treated me a bit better, I guess. I chalk that one up to the luck of the draw.
First batch orders for Q1 2014 will be conservative, just like with the Tuono V4R. They'll order enough to cover people who've made serious deposits, and just one or two for stock per dealership.
That Q1 batch will sell out at full MSRP across the country inside the first month, if not sooner.
Second batch, Q2, will arrive two-three months later, right at the start of summer riding season, and they'll probably over-order a bit based on perceived pent-up demand, so there will be supply into the late summer, and some discounting off sticker price as the year goes on.
Still won't be a lot of excess inventory, and they'd probably have been better off taking the risk and making a bigger first order, because more than a few of the serious buyers that would have bought one in Q1 2014 might well move on to another brand rather than waiting a few months for the Q2 shipment to arrive.
Unless Q2 sales are very strong (or very poor and Piaggio is incentivizing heavily) there probably won't be a Q3 or Q4 order for the 2014 model, in anticipation of the 2015 model.
Curious as to what models the dealerships order for stock, and if they even offer the base model for North America. They don't offer the base Stelvio in Canada, the three lower trim levels of the Norge or the non-APRC Tuono at all in North America, for example.
But that speculation doesn't mean much to me now. Leaving this week for a job in Malta for at least a year. So if I wanted, I could own one next week. :)
I'm not worried about that, in my experience, Aprilia bikes are well made, bar a few details. When speaking to friends with Japanese bikes, all is not perfect either. If the service is good, I can be forgiving!
Thinking about it some more, my main issue is that the capo does not feel enough of a tank for my taste. The KTM is tall and big, does not feel that way when riding it but is imposing, the capo felt like a cruiser with those bars and seating position.
And again, I'm still mystified at this active suspension thing. It certainly did not feel like it was suspended from the sky (it supposed to be like skyhook but better).
I'm going to give a go at the GS with its dynamic ESA to see whether its me.
You are not supposed to feel it changing. That would be a very bad thing. What you are supposed to get is a bike that optimizes ride and handling characteristics for the conditions it is presently being ridden in.
The bike should never have felt jarring or over/under sprung or damped. It just should have felt comfortable in cruising and stable and competent in handling at various speeds and under changing conditions. Ideally it would be the conditions that change, not the actual feel of the bike.
Skyhook is just Sach's marketing term that a given manufacturer can use or not. "Suspended from the sky?" A euphemism. Virtually all the professional reviews have suggested that the bike(s) equipped with these systems handle and ride well but that the effects are subtle. On the Ducati boards, that subtlety has raised the question of how much better the semi-active systems actually perform than, for example, a premium Ohlins rig, but most of the new owners are very well pleased with the way their bikes ride and handle.
So how did it handle?
"Last week the UK's Motor Cycle News group-tested the new Capo along with the Multistrada, Tiger Sport, x-dresser, Versys, Stelvio and 990SMT (curiously not the new 1200 KTM). The test included a trip to the Isle of Man and some time on the TT course. Cutting to the chase, the Capo was rated 7th out of 7 with major winges about fuelling and lacklustre midrange. Ducati came out top followed by KTM (shame they didn't test the new KTM as it could have scooped 1st place??)
But, the Capo was apparently in 'running-in' mode, which the ECU is programmed to run for the first 400 miles. Hhhhhmn! Find it really hard to believe Aprilia released a bike to the UK press that hadn't been run in, or for that matter, specially picked/prepared knowing that it was going to be head-to-head tested against the top adventure bikes. The Capo was the slowest bike too at 118 mph (no comment on how the running-in mode restricts power) and the handling was rated 7th place too (the Aprilia Dynamic Damping not attracting the praise earlier tests had drawn. In fact the only thing that the Capo did excel at was the braking test from 70mph to 0 - the Capo was the only bike to pull up in under 50 metres.
For what it's worth, MCN tests often come across to me as being based on subjective assessment rather than objective analysis, but hey, what do I know. I'm just disappointed that the bike wasn't given a realistic chance of proving its worth. Shame that the late great Kevin Ash didn't get to pronounce on the new Capo ."
The Ducati is one hell of a road bike and will remain a tough competitor. Ask the man who owns one. (Old Buick line for those of you who never saw a Buick ad).
Let's shake this thread a little bit!!!
The only thing I don't like? It was a test-drive!!! You can see my Versys on the background of the last picture. Won't trade them as I cannot afford it, but sure is tempting! Best bang-for-the-buck I've driven, and I've already driven the Honda Crosstourer and the new lquid-cooled BMW 1200 GS
Aprilias often are.
Great thread read most of it, love the look of the bike and it sounds awesome although that exhaust can would have to go.....it's fecking huge....:huh might have to pop round to my local aprilia dealership for a nosey me thinks....
I've been wondering what happened to his thread. It's been awfully quiet considering the potential significance of this bike. There aren't any in the US (That I am aware of) so who gets to carry the discussion for the moment?
I wonder too. There's not much on the net either. It looks stunning nevertheless....
Seems to be available in Europe only; Australia's launch is put back to late June now.
This is what happened when the Futura was introduced. I was very eager to try one, but it took so long to get here that I never did and bought something else instead. That something else was a Falco (I know, very different bike) so all was not lost to Aprilia, but in this active segment, I suspect they will lose some sales every month that the bike is vaporware here. In two or three months, any big rush to buy for the season will be over in much of the USA.