New Caponord

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by D.T., Nov 10, 2012.

  1. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    If you like the Futura, scrounge a ride on a real Caponord: similar "issues", but once sorted, it'll be like coming home - except that the fun doesn'r stop when the bitumen does. I too had a Futura, sold it and ended up with a Capo almost by mistake; now my wife has one too (though mine's a fast red one and hers is a slow blue one).
    For what you'd spend on a GS/Stelvio, you could buy two or even three low-milage Caponords.
    And what do you need a dealer for? My nearest reliable one is probably AF1 in Texas, so about 18 hours by Boeing, and about 25,000km away, according to Google. For the rest, there's the AF1 forums, my own two hands and local friends. You only need a dealer - or more accurately, the bespoke electronic testing equipment they almost certainly have but don't know how to use - when you start getting into fancy whizz-bang electrically-controlled traction and suspension controls.
    Call me old-fashioned, but I've found the "traction control device" and the "suspension adjustment system" at the end of my right arm perfectly adequate until now.....
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  2. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    Positive initial impressions from MCN (UK):

    "The Caponord is loaded with the latest in electronics, much of it borrowed from the RSV4 superbike. So there's ABS, Aprilia's new semi-active suspension, traction control, power modes and more. In these conditions I've got the traction control on max and am on the 'Rain' power map.

    "The ride is seriously good – it glides over lumps and imperfections. The Traction control is working overtime but is coping well and there's a pleasing bark from the V-twin which has been detuned to 125bhp – or the same as BMW's new GS – for this role.

    "The highlight so far has been the suspension: through town you don't even notice the speed bumps. The only slight downside is the fuelling down low – it's a little snatchy around 2000rpm.

    "It's pretty good value too. UK prices have been announced as £10,599 for the base model and a little over £12K for the fully-specced version, which, considering the tech, is keen indeed. For example, it's suspension is more sophisticated than Ducati's Multistrada yet the bike is a lot cheaper, too.
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  3. Pampero

    Pampero Verbose Adventurer

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    Despite my respect for some of the informed opinions registered here, I have high hopes for the quality and value the new Capo will represent. That's coming from the position of owning a minty older one and a Multistrada.

    I think the skeptics here are going to be surprised by the new one, but my question is: how many will Aprilia actually sell? The bike is late to the party.
    I do wish them well. They have a terrific engineering team and Aprilia is in general the high value proposition in technical bikes coming from Italy in my view.
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  4. JohnG.

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    Agree & hope theres a little brother 800 too,BTW...more high tech than the Multi 1200...
    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/N...13/March/mar1313-aprilia-caponord-first-ride/
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  5. Paulvt1

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    Not sure if this vid has been posted before. Amidst the music there are a few moments of engine noise that sound good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udx-1syvrog

    I also noticed that the "SE" version comes with a center stand. Plus point for me.
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  6. Twinz

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    Precis - I don't care about off road except some dirt back roads, and that I can do on my Futura. I do all my own maintenance on the Fut and would only need a dealer for warranty stuff. I'm not very interested in sorting an old Capo but am interested in something new that fits the ST definition. And, yes, the AF1 forum is great!
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  7. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    See, already there is confusion created by Aprilia's re-use of an exisiting name-plate: by calling the new bike 'Caponord', the factory has instilled hope that the 1200 will be an Adventure bike, moved along 12 years from the original.
    But you're right - the new "Capo-not" ISN'T an Adventure bike, any more than the MonoStrada is - if it needs a tag, it's a Sport-Tourer as you mentioned - and more a replacement for the Futura than the original Caponord.
    Your exclusion of the GS & Stelvio is logical - if you're never going to see dirt roads, why pay for a motorcycle that's made to tackle them? But I think you can therefore also exclude the Triumph Explorer (and the Yam Super-10) from your list too - on the grounds of weight, if nothing else. Which leaves the Triumph 800: an extremely competent machine; my 6'4" buddy recently shipped his Tiger 800 to England and spent 6 weeks touring around - with his 6'1" wife and their luggage - and the journey was fine, the bike performed faultlessly - and now it's home, he still loves it. While his bike was on the water, he borrowed my wife's Caponord - and said he liked it, but not enough to have one as a second bike. In fact, she's decided the Capo is a more motorcycle than she needs and is angling to borrow the Tiger for a weekend... I suspect I'll be learning about a whole new set of foibles soon.
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  8. Croak

    Croak Been here awhile

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    More abbreviated first ride reports starting to come in:

    http://www.adventurebikerider.com/c...857-aprilia-launch-all-new-caponord-1200.html
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  9. Süsser Tod

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    Late for what? It isn't like if everyone that wanted an Adventure Tourer already had got one, and even if that was the case, bike get old and replaced with new shiny bikes.

    I can bet you the ADV Tourer segment will go strong for at least another 10 years, just like the Sport Tourers did back in the 90s to the mid 2000s.

    Or just like the Cute-UTEs, that are going strong after 20 years... SUVs turned into cute UTEs, just like ADV bikes are turning into ADV Tourers, and the trend doesn't show any signs of stopping or at least getting any weaker.
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  10. Twinz

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    The Tiger 800 is definitely on my short list. I do wonder if it will seem underpowered after the Fut?? I really want to ride a 1050 Sport...too bad we won't see it on this side of the pond!
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  11. RaY YreKa

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    94bhp, about 60ftlb torque, triple?

    I think it will be just fine :D

    But the 1050 looks very good at the price; I don't know why Triumph wouldn't import it to the USA.
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  12. w72315

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    I always am amused by people who critercise a bike when they have never ridden it. Or, "A mate told me. blah blah blah". The proof is in the riding, is it not?

    I'm not defending or ridiculing the new Caponord, I just want to ride one before I make any sort of judgement. And with all due respect to the Motorcycling journos, until I put my own backside on a bike I will use their comments as a guide and nothing more.

    I remember a few years back looking at a Multistrada and not thinking a lot of it as I was riding a KTM950A at the time. Then I had the opportunity to ride one for an extended period and it was surprize. It was a lot more capable than I expected.

    Also, I have heard judgement on lack of protection, fuel economy, ergo's, styling etc etc etc etc..............
    Guys, aren't we adventure riders? We fettle, we modify, we build, we adapt.

    cheers Andrew
    (also known as Capoandrew)
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  13. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    Not that that name tips your hand or anything..:D

    Signed, SuperDukeRaymond
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  14. w72315

    w72315 woody

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    Yeah, but even though I love my Caponord 1000, I know it's limitations. :evil
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  15. Pampero

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    The segment is crowded even if the market is growing. Aprilia still has a lot of uphill slogging to accomplish (certainly so in North America) if this bike is to establish a foothold against the competition, and I suggest that to think otherwise is to under-estimate what amounts to a late start in re-establishing this model, not to mention the disappointing sales results of other really great bikes Aprilia has produced including the RSV series that consistently confounds in respect to it's failure to sell through despite it's sterling reputation and reviews. Perhaps the innate qualities of the bike will be so undeniable that Aprilia will power through and sell a boat load, but if anything is at question (in my mind) it is the lack of recognition the brand suffers with. And that in a nutshell is what I mean by "late to the party."

    I don't think my observation is that out of line or even that difficult to arrive at, but honest opinions can vary and yours may be the one that sticks in the end. My observation is not original to me. It has been expressed by a number of Aprilia dealers in the USA who have been stung before by good products that failed to meet their sales goals.

    You should not misunderstand my sentiment though. I'm optimistic about this bike and agree with w72315 that judgments should be withheld until the bike actually arrives on the scene.
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    Little less prognostication and a little more on-the-road action:

    <iframe width="1280" height="720" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jlR7e7xUqzs?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    That rider is a lot more daring with his knees in denim than I am.

    And mods, still think it's a good idea to move this to Road Warriors, this ain't a Beast.
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  17. Pampero

    Pampero Verbose Adventurer

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    Fun video.

    I'm not sure how informative it really is (bike sounds good in between the clicking of the camera), but I now know that this test rider has a 34" inseam.

    More seriously, most of the adaptive suspensions are connected by cable from the top of the fork back to a CPU. This bike doesn't seen to have that (or it isn't visible from this angle). I wonder if this bike has a "standard" suspension.
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  18. Croak

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    I've read about a dozen different first ride reports from the Sardinia press launch now, and they all mention that the test bikes were all Travel Pack/ADD-equipped.

    The ADD servo for the front suspension is only on one fork leg, the left:

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    Oh, and most of those foreign language articles mention that the bike goes on sale end of this month in the EU. They also mention that the press launch is a long one, running for over a week and ending March 21 (with different journos there each day), and it looks like the Italian press got the first few days, so there's still a bit of lag before the English-speaking press articles start to appear.
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  19. Croak

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    Picture with top box (sure looks like the same optional unit found on the Norge)

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    GPS mounting looks sensible (other than the TomTom Rider choice):

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    That gadget on the top clamps is a fancy iPhone mount. Evidently there's an app that interfaces with the Ape's electronics to make for a pretty comprehensive trip and diagnostic computer. Fluff, but hey.

    And here's a good series of forum posts (in Italian, let Google Translate do the heavy lifting) about the press launch and the writer's impressions of the bike after riding (and the source of those pictures above).

    http://lnx.caponordforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=70
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  20. jimmex

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