New, Cold tires, cold road, and just plain-ol' poor reaction...

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by Wearyeyed, Mar 10, 2017.

  1. Wearyeyed

    Wearyeyed Lost Soul

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    Well, some of you know me from my Triumph thread, one of the fortunate folks who had to wait nearly 8 months to get a grenaded motor replaced, albeit ultimately under warranty.

    If you followed the thread, you know I picked the bike up yesterday from the dealer.

    Tonight, after well over 100k miles of riding on 5 different bikes having never done more than a drop in a driveway, I joined the ranks of an off which - all things considered - was a "good" one.

    Pulling out of work, I took a left-hander onto the main road from the parking lot, and my new, cold tires on 26-degree pavement with far too much lean and throttle left my back-end coming around.

    I leaned more, brought the rear even further around under throttle, the bike when sideways, stood-up, and I high-sided myself to the ground.

    All at what amounted to no more than 15-20 mph.

    I hit the ground, knocking the wind out of me, then stood-up to return to the bike as the first cars started coming to my location.

    Everyone was nice kindly asking if I was okay, or if I needed help.

    I pulled the kickstand, butted-myself against the bike and got her up, and started it to pull off the road back into the parking lot.

    The right-side pannier is smashed-in, the crash bars got some character, tank bag ripped-off, right hand guard and the tip of the brake lever broke.

    Not sure about the handlebar, yet, but the biggest issue was the cast bracket that holds the whole windshield\lighting\dash assembly to the bike - it broke-off leaving the mass of front-end dangling by a few wires. The right front signal was broken, too.

    Nothing on me broke, though my right hip and upper right chest are in a bit of pain.

    Now I need to figure-out how to safely get the bike hauled the 15 miles home (anyone into bike hauling for some quick cash?) assess the damage, and probably wait another 8-months for the parts to arrive. ;)

    In any case, i have officially joined the ranks and I am grateful nothing serious happened, even as I begin the next chapter in trying to get a Triumph back on the road. :p

    When (if) I get it home, I'll drop some pictures.
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  2. Nurse Ratched

    Nurse Ratched Been here awhile

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    "my right hip and upper right chest are in a bit of pain".

    Get checked out at the hospital.
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  3. Natcur13

    Natcur13 knight-erront

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    Not a bad idea to atleast be seen by your primary care provider, if can't sleep because of any pain or anxiety head to an ED. Ounce of prevention better than pound of cure...

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  4. trc.rhubarb

    trc.rhubarb ZoomSplat!

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    Man that sucks. I'm sorry it happened.
    Sounds like the bike will be ok as well as you.
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  5. Wearyeyed

    Wearyeyed Lost Soul

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    Not to take anything away from the suggestion (I'm normally a wuss anyway) I'm pretty sure it's just a little blunt-force trauma, all 230 pounds of me crashing to the ground on my right side and all...

    So far, I've got no bruising, full-mobility, and no random parts protruding after several hours, so I'll take a couple Advil and see how I feel in the morning.

    And I'm coughing-up a lot less blood now, so I think it's on the mend.

    Just kidding. ;)


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  6. JohnTz

    JohnTz Never stop riding.

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    God I am so sorry to hear this. I have read the drama it took to get this bike fixed and back on the road and this crash soon after its return makes me sick. On the other hand it sounds like you are ok and the bike can always be repaired again. It could have been way worse.
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  7. brgsprint

    brgsprint Been here awhile

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    I fell on snow in January. My ribs sill hurt at night. I chalk that up to being old.

    It sucks when the back tire wants to lead.
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  8. Wearyeyed

    Wearyeyed Lost Soul

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    I appreciate the sentiment.

    For me, personally, given the previous chapter in its life, I find the current situation damn-near comical.

    Damage is minimal (it appears) to both me and the bike, so as far as I am concerned it's just "one of those things."


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  9. DualGrampy

    DualGrampy Been here awhile

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    Whether I drop the bike or am hit, the tips of my brake or clutch lever break off. I hate it when that happens. Your insurance should cover the cost of a tow to your dealer.

    Winter riding always makes me a better rider. I am awesome in the spring but by fall I am a crazy nut again and the first real cold snaps me back into being good again. In the winter you have to watch everything, like early mornings when vehicles have not warmed up yet they dump a lot of water out the exhaust on the road that freezes immediately. Cant really see it. You need a new level of alertness. Helps me wake up in the morning. Hope everything works out for you.
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  10. aldend123

    aldend123 Long timer

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    Curious what tires where on it?

    Did you get it home yet? If not, duct tape and ziptie the front end back on? 15mi isn't that far if you choose a low traffic time. Give the brakes and clutch a few pumps before departing and review your hand signals. FYI in the future, you may want to look up AMA's road side assistance. They will tow bikes. Otherwise, your AAA region may offer some level of service but this varies depending on the region. And has even changed over the past decade, so keep that in mind when people swear AAA offers XYZ.
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  11. Wearyeyed

    Wearyeyed Lost Soul

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    These were brand new Anakee 3's; second set of them among 5 sets of tires that have been on the bike (another part of my less-than-perfect ownership experience.)

    In any case, it's absolutely my fault in several ways, not the least of which was not respecting both their new-ness and the outside temp.

    We got it home via a friend with a car hauler. I'll post pictures when the weather plays nice enough for me to open the garage and get to tearing down the cockpit, but the damage is surprisingly light. Most of the parts should be in-hand in under two weeks.

    Might look into AAA or see what my insurance has, but AMA is a non-starter...they left me holding my crank on two occasions, one being when the motor grenaded 1500 miles from home in the desert of NM.



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  12. IndyChizzle

    IndyChizzle Hoping my skills exceed my horsepower

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    Can you tell me more about your experience with AMA? The towing is the only reason I would be joining, but if their towing isn't reliable, I wouldn't be interested.
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  13. trc.rhubarb

    trc.rhubarb ZoomSplat!

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    Funny, I've needed towing 2x and once I was left out by everyone (AAA, Progressive, AMA, HOG) but an ADV member that I didn't know saw me and stopped, took me to his home to get his truck, took me to uhaul to rent a truck and did most of the loading for me. I'd never towed/trailered a bike before and just didn't know how to tie it down or get it up a ramp.

    2nd time, AMA came through immediately.

    I carry multiple options and credit/cash just in case they all fail.
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  14. ozmoses

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    High sides suck.
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  15. Wearyeyed

    Wearyeyed Lost Soul

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    Once, stranded at work on a very late-night, I called for a no-crank, no start condition I thought was related to a dead or low battery.

    I declined to have the bike towed to a location, which they offered to do, but the operator explicitly said they would not dispatch for what I presumed would be nothing more than a jump.

    I got a friend to come out a couple of hours later and it was indeed just a jump. Fair enough; I didn't fault AMA roadside for the inconvenience and moved-on...

    The second time was when the motor grenaded in the middle of a NM desert - but on a road - where I had super-spotty cell service and had to use SPOT GPS coordinates and my wife via spotty texts (who was in IL) to coordinate with AMA. It was July 4th, 2016, so traffic was nearly non-existent.

    It took them an hour to sort-out where I was (despite my wife having Google-mapped the location in minutes.) They said they would have someone out in another hour...

    I ignored the few cars that passed not wanting AMA to come to my location and me not being there.

    At an hour and-a-half they called my wife back to say they couldn't get anyone out to my location.

    Effectively two and a half hours passed in the open at 104 degrees F to tell her they couldn't make anything happen.

    Thankfully, a passer-by from when I first broke-down came back through three hours after I broke down and figured he'd stop and say, "hi."

    He said he would have stopped earlier, but I didn't look distressed.

    "I wasn't," I told him, "three hours ago..."

    LOL

    I dropped AMA as soon as I got myself back to IL.

    Not bashing AMA; they might ordinarily be great.

    But when I needed them - one time under extraordinary circumstances - they couldn't come-through.

    I don't need them when things are going well...


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  16. Wearyeyed

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    On a good note, all the parts came home Friday, and I got everything mostly fixed (the right pannier mount is only marginally back to its original position) yesterday.

    Pretty-minor scrapes minus the cockpit mount which broke in-two with absolutely no indication of impact to cause the break.

    I surmise the many miles of frame oscillations due to the crappy original wheels (another chapter in my less-than-stellar ownership experience) weakened the bracket and the physics of the high-side simply caused it to finally break; sudden stop on its right-side and all.

    Anyway, all's well that ends well...off to test-drive it shortly...


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  17. FredBGG

    FredBGG Long timer

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    I'm glad your OK. Cold knobbies can be nasty on cold blacktop. A high-side, even slow can be really nasty, glad you were not hurt too much.

    The Anakee Wild are brilliant tires, but I find that the hype about their road performance is dangerously exaggerated.
    IMO they are brilliant off road tires and good to get to the dirt, but really need to be ridden as a tire that will go from a lot of road traction to releasing quite suddenly.
    From my experience I found that they have very good road traction, but are not forgiving when reaching their limit of traction when leaning and giving throttle.
    What I'm trying to say is there isn't much feedback that your are reaching the limit as there is with a street tire and the dual compounds.
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  18. Wearyeyed

    Wearyeyed Lost Soul

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    I thought about the Anakee Wilds, but went with the Anakee 3's, so no knobbies, but plenty of new rubber and cold temps and ham-fisted throttling, being a little-too confident coming off a 7-month riding hiatus.

    Definitely more my fault than anything else, but fortunately I got to learn the lesson and move on.

    Thanks for the thoughts.


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  19. gmk999

    gmk999 ____ as a Rotax

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    That sux!! Hope you are ok.. I’d like to say that never happened to me, But... Riding in NewEngland all year it is commonplace, Caution always wins the day but there is also a muscle memmory reaction that helpe once you have been there a few times.
    I have found that in that situation there is hardly a tire out there that won’t lose grip at some point, Ususlly when you hit the yellow paint. But some are better at getting it back then others.
    Is the bike not rideable? Maybe just take it slow till you get it home and check it out?

    Maybe you need a Gremlin Bell. LOL
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    ErikMotoMan Mourning # 69 - the last American Champion

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    AMA is a joke. Sometimes they'll either tell you 'tomorrow' or they'll send someone with a beat up ol truck and a flashlight.... seriously. I witnessed this myself, and after I was done laughing I let my buddy use my AAA card.
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