new electric scooter!

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by mr openroad, Apr 20, 2006.

  1. mr openroad

    mr openroad Target Fixated

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    my girlfriend works for a company that is helping this company www.vectrixusa.com with the making of this electric scooter. she says ducati is somehow involved I'm not sure how yet! but it sounds interesting. I do not ride scooters but I am interested in hearing from people that know scooters what you think of this scooter? is it something you would ride or buy? what is your opinion? :ear
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  2. Robert_C

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    Well first, I hope your girlfriend does not get in any trouble. Typically there are things like non disclosure agreements.

    Now on the the scooter. Electric scooters are a tough call. I like the idea. However, in general americans do not buy expensive, new, two-wheelers as basic transportation. There is the length of time to the break even point on this thing
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    I really would lie to see it work. I just doubt it will.
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  3. mrmonk

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    62mph top speed and 68 miles range is not acceptable, period.
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  4. JohnTM

    JohnTM I suck toes

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    Actually, I think that range and speed are quite good for city dwellers. Most would ride less than 30 miles/day, and having double that range avaliable is a big bonus.
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  5. ajay

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    I agree - most urban commuters would give up some mph for extended range. Price point will important though. If it is too expensive Americans will not buy it.
    Plug in scooters are seen throughout Europe - they appear less powerful though. Outlets to plug into are available on the street in many European cites also. Not sure that American cities would install that - thus the need for range. Rush hour commutes in most cities rarely gets to 50 mph! Also, many commutes are too short for most motorcycles to properly charge or reach operating temperature.
    I. for one, am very interested in learning more - it would be perfect for Philadelphia area commuting.
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    The trouble with marketing is that you do not sell to what people do. You sell to what they want to see themselves doing.
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  7. Photog

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    I disagree. That range and speed fits well within my commute parameters--I"d have enough for errand-running plus the commute daily, with flow of traffic rarerly exceeding 50mph.

    Personally I'd like to see it or an additional model in a smaller package. One of the advantages of the smaller scoots, whether it's the Stella or Super 9, is that I can snug it up against a building somewhere and make my own parking. The maxi scoots have to be parked in a regular space. I would consider a smaller-frame scoot of this sort.

    I've read the early report in one magazine and have been following the brand.

    However, here in the US, I think that it would appeal only to early adopters and acceptance past that will be slow. Honda has been working on a hybrid for a while that may clear the path for other electrics and hybrids, and they will have the advantage of an existing parts bin, branding, a dealer network, and so on.

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  8. RiverRat280

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    Mind you thats 68 miles @25mph but the speed and range are more then acceptable but if I was to get an electric scoot I'd want a small one not a maxi-scoot. I'd rather have something the size of the 150cc scoots but I suppose they need to make it large for the battery packs.
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  9. mr openroad

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    I think that there is lots of potential with it! if they can extend range to 100 miles maybe a little more speed and I think the biggie will be price.
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    When we get to $3.00 a gallon gas, this thing probably will take off.

    If the pricepoint is reasonable, its a seller. I'd love to see a nation of scooters!

    Two concerns: Liability from having no noise. Someone might own the company after running down a couple of pedestrians. Maybe play a recording of a harley...
    Also, I wonder about registration, I doubt many states are set up to handle something like this. Well, its under 50cc, but goes faster than 35.

    Greg

    p.s. The company I work for would love to sub-contract components on a project like this.
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  11. ajay

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    Here in Philadelphia it is already over $3.00 - $3.09 for regular this morning!
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    Time for a Scooter!!!


    (Although, the Schukill (sp.?) Expressway might be a challenge)
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  13. mr openroad

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    after seeing the big oil companies latest profits :boid I am seriously considering it! at this point I do not want to give those bastards any more money than I have to.
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    I'm hoping to rehab myself enough to get back on the scooter. I really miss 85mpg. Once I got into the habit of $12/month for fuel/oil, it got addictive.

    As demand increases for cool scoots, hybrids, electrics etc. we'll see more interesting options come to the US. It's a win-win for people to take a look at alternatives. :thumb What's on the menu right now may not attract people beyond the early adopters but if we let people know that we're willing to look at new stuff, it'll come our way. Right now the US scooter market is tiny compared to the rest of the world so we're only seeing "safe bets" for the market. I hope that changes.
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    kdude orgasmatron engineer

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    I just returned from a month long trip to China. Electric scooters are HUGE in China. In several cities the majority of scoots were electric and believe me those electric scoots can scoot :rofl I was amazed at how quiet they are. As a matter of fact my guide tld. me they are a big problem because they can't be heard there are a lot of accidents because people crossing a road for instance can't hear the sound of a 49cc gas scoot and get nailed because they can't hear the electric scoot approaching. If what I wrote doesn't make sense it because I just got off the plane after a 24 hour travelling experience and 12 hour time difference.. :D i'm off to sleep.
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  17. lemmiwinks

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    The Vectrix will be between $8 and $10K US, so while it's a good product IMO, I can't see it making that many sales. Supposedly it's jumping through the appropriate hoops to get road legal in Australia but I would never fork out that much.

    I did buy an electric scooter though, the only one that was road legal for Australia at the time, an EVT http://www.evtaustralia.com.au/ I got the 168 in green. It's built on a common Chinese chassis used for many scooters like the Jianshe JS50QT-2 http://jianshe.com.au/js50qt-2 and Vmoto Milan http://www.vmoto.com/au/milan/ plus plenty of others if you care to look.

    It cost more than twice the Jianshe or Vmoto and roughly double what a Yamaha JOG would have cost. So why did I buy it at all? Well, truth be told, I didn't actually want a scooter, I wanted an electric motorcycle, but there isn't anything commercial available (you have to build your own if you want one and I was too impatient). **Correction, there actually are electric motorcycle available, but they're not road legal so of no real interest to me**

    Why would anyone want an electric motorcycle? Well I got sick of paying $1.50/litre for petrol and I'm in the fortunate position where an electric vehicle (even with 100 year old technology for batteries) is more than adequate for my around town running. Plus they are sooo quiet and no smells, oils, filters or any other crap to screw around with, just unplug, ride, plugin, repeat. Oh, and I'm a nutter :lol3

    BTW, electric vehicle manufacturers always grossly overstate their performance figures in regard to speed and range. My EVT speedo has about a 14% error so when it was indicating it's top speed of "50"kph it was actually 43kph. Turns out there is a European controller and an Asian controller. The Asian controller gives much better performance, and after some heated discussion with the importer guess which one I got? :D With the new controller I get a true 50kph (which is the blanket speed limit in my town) and can do 55+ on slight downhills. From a chat with a Honda "Today" rider, this seems to be comparable performance to her scooter.

    I let the boys at the local bike shop test ride it and they reckoned it would blow the Today away so that's good enough for me.
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