New Final Drive Fluid Amount- substantiated?

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Brahma, May 21, 2009.

  1. Brahma

    Brahma Been here awhile

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    Anyone have the latest RepROM for '07 R1200GS?
    I don't have the latest, probably the original. I'm trying to find out if the latest that covers the '07 states a different final drive fluid level than 220 ml. I have a 2006 K1200GT and there seems to be references floating about that BMW has changed the fluid level from 220 ml to 180 ml, perhaps to eleviate blowing seals on the failing final drives. I have a similar post going for my K1200GT on another forum, where someone brought this to everyone's attention but only posted a .PDF of a printout copy, without referrence to what models were covered. I just wonder if a similar thing is going on with the GS model. I'd hate to be the fiirst to drain 40 ml of fluid and burn up my drive by TRYING to do the right thing.

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  2. cjack

    cjack Been here awhile

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    The new fill level is 200ml for a dry drive, and 180ml for a refill. It applies to all the new drives (since '05) and all the models that have these drives. The BMW note does list all these vehicles. The GS, and (new) GT are included of course. This new fill level is about half full in the drive, so it is highly unlikely that there would be a lack of oil with that kind of a level in any case.
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  3. Brahma

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    Thanks. I am wondering what the difference between a "dry" drive and a "refill" is. I thought when I drop the drive to swing down 90 degrees to drain my 3 o'clock plug till nothing comes out, and thus needing refilled, it would be a "dry" "refill".... :evil

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  4. JR356

    JR356 Long timer

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    Dry fill is what occurs at the factory,or if your FD is rebuilt.
    When you empty and refill you want the 180 ml. fill amount.

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  5. Brahma

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    So I guess logic states 20 cc hides in there... I can see that. Thanks for the explanation. Go figure I JUST DID the change and spline lubes on both my GT and GS 3 weeks ago, filling to 220 ml. :puke1

    Oh well...

    It still would be nice to see a .PDF of the bulletin somewhere...
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  6. DaneelOlivaw

    DaneelOlivaw Irv Seaver BMW; Parts Mgr

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  7. rader creek

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    Now that we know the correct quantity of 180ml for a refill, what is the BMW recommended gear oil weight for a 2007 generation R1200Gs. I have seen both 75-140w & 75-90W mentioned in Adv Rider threads, but what does the factory spec. out? I'm not concerned with what brand of oil inmates are using & have no intention of starting an "oil thread" just info on factory specs.

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  8. whisperquiet

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    I've talked to both the service managers at Grassroots BMW, Cape Girardeau, MO. and BMW---St Louis, Mo. and both told me the new fill quantity is 180cc wet and 200cc dry for all '05 forward R1200 bikes.......................their word is good enough for me. I am using 75-90 Mobil 1 synthetic..YMMV
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  9. cjack

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    The factory spec is 75W90.
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  10. kluts

    kluts The Lost Tourguide

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    Dealers aren't too worried about the fill amount. Like another poster, I had just done mine when the new specs came out . I had an FD seal replaced on warranty and they didn't drain the new fluid to spec, saying they just don't bother until it's time to do it all.

    Still when I have the time I am going to pull the plug with the wheel on the bike. The horizontal drain ('05) level is just about where the 180ml level resides so when it stops bleeding you just re-plug. From what I hear.:evil

    Substantiate?

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  11. cjack

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    I think that's been substantiated several times on ADV. You can catch the amount that drains out...should be about 50ml or less. I don't think it is so critical although my '08 K12S weeped a little oil out of the seal when new but quit. But my '06 didn't.
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  12. mag00

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    I just did mine a few weeks ago on an 09 I think I''ll drain and refill as I'd hate to have a seal leak from to much oil.
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  13. malloy

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    Funny thing! When I had the outer seal on the FD of my 2005 R1200GS replaced under warranty in 2007 the dealer refilled it through the 9 o'clock drain plug, without pivoting the FD into the downward position as JVB and others (including the early rep roms?) demonstrate.

    Was this dealer ahead of its time? :lol3 :lol3 Maybe only partially as the tech did use 75-140 to do it.
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  14. JimVonBaden

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    No need to tilt the FD down to fill, never was. The need to tilt it down was to drain the old fluid, and on the older bikes that is still the case. The fact that he only filled to the drain plug only means that he was not following the BMW specs at the time. Even fools are sometimes accidentally correct.:lol3

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  15. Remy

    Remy Woe is uh a me bop!

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    Has anyone tried a vacuum evacuator to remove the FD lube? I've used one to change the oil in a four stroke outboard motor and a lawn mower engine. It seems like it would work for the FD.
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  16. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    The gears are too close to the housing, it wont work.

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  17. whisperquiet

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    Measure no. Subject

    US 23342824-01 Increased wear in the rear-wheel drive

    Status date (mm/dd/yy) Status PQM Problem reference

    4/15/09 Accepted

    Date created (mm/dd/yy) Created by Organization

    4/15/09 Rainer Wanninger US, MOT

    Release date (mm/dd/yy) Approved by Dealer release

    Allow automatic release

    Vehicles affected

    E series Engine Body

    K25 K25/02 K25/03 K25/11 K25/12
    K25/HP K26 K26/02 K27 K28
    K29 K29/HP K40 K40/11 K43
    K43/11 K43/HV K44 K44/31

    Production period (from/to) Feedback (all cases relating to
    (mm/dd/yy) Comment on production period measure up to) (mm/dd/yy)
    /

    Complaint

    The rear-wheel drive displays premature wear in the form of leaking shaft sealing rings or an increased bearing clearance.


    Cause

    1. Increased temperature and high pressure lead to premature wear on the shaft sealing rings.
    2. Metallic abrasion, which is constantly increasing when the vehicle is in motion, significantly shortens the lifetime of
    the bearings in the rear-wheel drive.
    Measure


    For point 1: The gear oil capacities have changed for initial filling and when changing the oil in the rear-wheel drive.
    The new capacities:
    For initial filling: 200 ml
    For changing oil: 180 ml
    (The new RSD 05/2009 contains this modification)


    For point 2: Regular oil change in rear-wheel drive:
    At 600 mi.
    every 12,000 mi or every 2 years
    (This service interval is all ready in place)


    Fault

    Fault location Nature of fault Condition

    Drive, Drive train, Rear drive Noise While driving


    Defect

    Main group

    33 rear axle

    Subgroup

    10 Rear wheel drive

    Location

    00 Rear wheel drive

    Defect code Defect description
    3310002100 Rear wheel drive Excessive

    tooth backlash
    Module Area Fault code

    Powertrain

    CIP / DIS
    System State Version
    ___________________________
    Tech. Office report
    ________________________________________________________________________________
    Report no. Subject Link Condition
    23344826 Increased wear in the rear-Approved
    wheel drive
    ___________________________
    Measure AG
    ________________________________________________________________________________
    Measure no. Subject
    AG 23342824-01 Increased wear in the rear-wheel drive

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  18. Throttlerocker!

    Throttlerocker! Giddy up go

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    I lowered my oil level after a short ride as per the update and had an air pressure build up that released when the drain plug was removed. I'm thinking the seals are more apt to leak from this pressure more so than the higher oil level. What do you think? :ear
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  19. Longer

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    I have a 2004 R1200GS, I see that the posts all refer to 2005 and newer. Can any clarify for me what I should be doing with the fluid level? I did mine last year and used JVB's video. So far it's been fine, no weeping or anything. I have 60,000km on my bike.

    Any insight would be great.

    Thanks!!!

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  20. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    You can safely leave the level as is, or open the 9:00 plug and drain it to level with the plug, your choice.

    When I made the video 220ml was the standard, now BMW says 180ml.

    Jim :brow
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