New Gaerne G-Midland Adventure Boot

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  1. Kingsized

    Kingsized Kingsized Adventurer

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    Mine have never leaked and I've stood in deep water at river crossings. In my opinion, they do run hot. I'm in the south and during the summer, my feet can sweat. For me, fit was #1, followed by weather proofing and then ventilation. The last two are pretty close. Unfortunately, I've yet to find a boot that was perfect. The Midland is as close as I've ever gotten.
  2. ~TABASCO~

    ~TABASCO~ www.rideonadv.com

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    I just read this whole post. It looks like the G-Midland might be my next boot. I bought the G-Adventure last year. And after breaking in, they are to soft and wimpy for me.. I really enjoy standing on the pegs on road and off road. There are days I might stand a good part of 4-5-6-7 hours.... The G-Adventure is to flexy and not supportive enough for standing that long.... I have considered the SG-10 but its not "water proof" from everything Ive read, and I dont want to keep up with any gore-tex socks...... For the guys that own the G-midland, what are your thoughts on comfort standing on the pegs for extended periods of time... ?

    The only walking I do in my 'ADV' boots is to get gas, and walk across the street to a restaurant or something similar. I do ride around the country on the ADV bike and try and find as much off road as possible..

    For the posters on this post, here is my question.. These are the boots im considering now and need something with a stiffer sole for all day ADV riding..

    1) G-midland
    2) SG-10 (not water proof, and maybe to stiff for all day high-way use ? )
    3) SIDI adventure

    Could you please give me your suggestion... Thanks
  3. NWBoarder

    NWBoarder Whitmeister

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    I have the SG12, SG10, the Balance Oiled and G Midland. (Listed in order of foot bed stiffness.)
    I like them all. But for all day standing on an ADV bike I choose the Balance Oiled Boots.
  4. Brtp4

    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    NW, thanks for the comments, but I am going to respectfully disagree. I went to the shop to compare, and the Midlands are definitely more rigid. Mostly this is due to the Midlands stiffer sole compound, whereas the Balance has a soft natural rubber outsole. The lugging on the Midland adds slightly to the rigidity, especially the stepped heel. Third, the Midland has plastic toe protectors on the top of the forefoot, which adds to the bend resistance at the toe.

    That said, the Balance are NOT flexy / floppy, and also good for standing on the pegs. Probably more comfortable too, because of the leather and the more simple design.

    Hope that helps.

    BP
  5. NWBoarder

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    Bp,
    Yes, I reread my post. Maybe I could have chosen my words more carefully. I was on my phone.

    The leather and upper portions of the G Midland are more robust and solid. There is more layering of leather and protective features. The boots do feel "stiffer", but it is a relative term.

    I was trying to address TABASCO's question about standing on the pegs for hours on end, which I have done in both the Balance and the Midland. Right after I got the Midlands last march I rode through 4 deserts of Socal in 13 days and spent alot of time standing.

    My personal opinion is the Balance provides a better platform for standing on the pegs, as I stated a few posts up. I feel this is do to its Trials heritage.

    Maybe I can take a pic to show what I'm talking about.
  6. ~TABASCO~

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    Thanks guys for your input... I have read for years about the oiled balance boot.. I tried it on last week and it was probably the MOST comfortable boot I have ever put on, period... But, for me there is no way I can stand on the pegs all day with this boot... My Gaerne G-Adventures have more stricture to them than the oiled balance boot.. I have already turned a friend onto the Oiled balance boot for all day comfort.. IMOP, if you stand on the pegs for hours on end, these are just to soft.. I need something much more rigid in the sole and maybe some ankle protection. That's why I have kept going back and leaning toward the SG -10.... Unfortunately I cant keep buying all the boots 'I would like to try', and then hope to fine the right one... :) I just ask as many questions as possible... I know boots are on par with the "oil " topic, but I do like to hear and learn from others that have tried many of these boots.............. Do the Midlands have a stiffer sole than the G-Adventure?

    Thanks again....
  7. tilliejacques

    tilliejacques Been here awhile

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    Does anyone know for sure if the G-Midland have a shank, steel or otherwise?

    I love my Balance Oileds but want to keep them for trials; that softer sole is fantastic for feel in sections but I hate to "waste" it on dual sport rides.

    And, I want more protection on DS rides for higher speed uh, "bike naps". The G-Midland sounds very good for the type of riding I do but there doesn't seem to be a definitive answer to the shank question.

    thanks!
  8. Brtp4

    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    Hello tilliejacques.

    The G-Midland is more rigid in the midsole than the Balance, but does not have a steel shank. I do not know of any dual sport, adventure touring, or touring boots that do.

    My feeling is that you might be better off with one of the softer MX boots (as opposed to a stiffer DS boot). For more aggressive terrain and / or riding, the additional height and plastic is a really, really good idea, and if you choose model carefully they can still be reasonable to walk in.

    Tabasco, I don't disagree with your decision to wear SG10s, more protection is always better. That said, the G-Midland is much stiffer than the Balance....but both are MUCH stiffer than the Adventure. In our findings, the G-Adventure is very, very soft, too soft in our opinion for anything other than very light offroad (if that). Sole, ankle, toe, the G-Adventure is really soft....to the point we call each customer that orders them to make sure they are aware of this.

    The Balance is a step firmer than the Adventure especially at the sole, because of its Goodyear welt construction. The Midland is a good step more rigid than the Balance, especially at the ankle.

    Adventure: http://www.atomic-moto.com/Gaerne-G-Adventure-Boots_p_81.html

    Balance: http://www.atomic-moto.com/Gaerne-Balance-Oiled-Dual-Sport-Boots_p_79.html

    Midland: http://www.atomic-moto.com/Gaerne-G-Midland-Boots_p_351.html

    Hope that helps.

    BP
  9. isaac004

    isaac004 Been here awhile

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    I had a few conversations with Brian on what boots he recommends for my type of DS/ADV riding (camping off a F800GS on easy dirt roads and two tracks, riding to Alaska, etc...all my rougher off road riding boot needs are fulfilled by a seat of heavy Sidi Flex Force MX style boots), and narrowed it down to the Gaerne Balance Oiled and the Gaerne G-Midland. I ordered both from Brian so I could try them on and compare the two.

    I will agree that all of Brian's comments in this thread are spot on, so I won't reiterate all of his points.

    I have a thin build (5'11", 160 lbs) and therefore do not have this skinny calf issue. Therefore, I noticed that the Balance needed to be cranked down almost to the max on the upper most buckle for my calfs. Most of my riding in these boots will be with knee pads in the pants (not the strap on knee/shin guard style), and I ride with dress socks (pack lighter and dry faster when doing laundry on the road). They would work for skinny calfs, but just an observation. The Balance are very comfy, but I do like the more protective G-Midland since I am on a big 400+ pound bike. I would almost consider the Balance as a perfect touring/light DS boot though.

    The G-Midland will close up around my skinny calfs with less effort. The velcro is maxed out, but there is no need to crank the top velcro closure down tight. The G-Midlands came out a little loose but I found that by stacking another thin insole in there, they are perfect. So now all I need to do is find a quality insole to add to the boot (the stock insoles are very basic and thin) and it should be perfect.

    I will post up thoughts in a few months after I get more miles on them. Thanks again to Brian, he was very informative and helpful on my questions about boots. :clap
  10. tilliejacques

    tilliejacques Been here awhile

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    Based on this thread and a conversation with Brtp4, I ordered the G-Midland in a 42 since I wear a Balance Oiled 41. The G-Midlands fit perfectly! I was even able to take out the removable insoles and put in green SuperFeet ones. The buckles and velcro tops adjust easily, the front of the ankle flexes nicely for walking, the sole is stiffer (than the Balance) so feels great on the pegs (just standing so far (yeah with grocery bags on to protect the boots in case they didn't feel right), not riding). The materials and finish is superb.

    Yep, pretty much the same as what everyone else has said.

    Haven't been able to ride yet since we've gotten too much snow recently but can't wait! Well, of course I can't wait to ride but now even more so with these awesome boots. My husband was pooh-poohing any other boot than the Balance and, now that he's seen the G-Midlands, is wildly jealous :lol3. Hm, his birthday's in April; I think I have an idea... :deal

    thanks Brtp4!


    cheers
  11. BillMoore

    BillMoore Been here awhile

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    Had my first really wet ride in mine today. 3 hours in the rain, 44 degrees, lots of mud, some fairly deep puddles. Inside my boots, my feet were warm and dry.
  12. xsf18cdf

    xsf18cdf Adventurer

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    Narrowed down to these two. I'm and EX-motocrosser and my F800 is for touring/exploring/camping so I no longer need a Hi-Point like boot. Looking at comfort, protection and durability.

    Thanks,

    Gary
  13. Brtp4

    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    Hi Gary.

    Those two are quite different, thus it is somewhat hard to compare. The A-Stitch is a very minimalist boot with no reinforcements for safety / support, whereas the Midland has extensive protection inserts. Generally speaking, that F800 is a competent bike off-road, and with your background you can get into some fairly rugged terrain. I do not sell the Combats (Andy has earned my respect), but even if I did I would steer you toward a more protective boot than they are.

    Hope that helps.

    BP
  14. keep it simple!

    keep it simple! Been here awhile

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    Balance vs Midland,also for me the great Q.
    Not liking the hesitation of "which pair of boots will I put on?" I want a pair of do-it-alls.
    I've 2 bikes (Duke and Freeride) so the boots should be:
    - not too stiff on the road and for trialling
    - stiff enough for the occassional MX track and XC
    - good feeling on the sole (trial) but hard enough for abuse offroad
    - enough protection offroad but supple enough for trial and road
    - waterproof (but for the occassional 4hours race will my feet be too hot?)
    So it's not easy. Maybe Mr.Brian has THE idea?
    Another Q: i've read in this thread about goodyear welt construction. What are the + and - of this type soleconstruction vs the normal construction. Is it more waterproof? Is it possible to change the sole (with the sharp pegs on the ORbikes soles takes a lot of abuse...)
    Looking forward for some answer.
    Kind regards from a cold (-5┬░Celsius) and covered-with-snow Belgium!
  15. Brtp4

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    Hello Mr. Keep It Simple!. Thank you for the most challenging question of the day....

    A context statement....I am a bit cynical about "do it all" products. Types of riding vary greatly, and the type of equipment needed varies greatly with it. Product managers who proclaim things to "do it all" are usually...wrong.

    There are a lot of very different needs...waterproof, road use, the feel of a trials boot, comfort over a 4 hour race, protection over a 4 hour race, etc. The most important criteria in your list is "occassional MX track and XC". For this, I do not think the Midlands are inappropriate. You may get suggestions for some ADV models, but really the only boot that has enough protection for off road racing is an MX boot. Period.

    It is a good question. I have tried to parse it and make a suggestion for about a half hour, and keep coming to the same conclusion: that your needs require two pairs of boots. I would suggest a pair of MX boots for your more serious offroad days, and a dual sport boot for road, good sole feel, etc.

    AFA the welt construction....they have an important extra component in the sole that adds rigidity, can be resoled. A working theory that I have is that the foot chamber is better shaped, because of one aspect of the production, although no actual production people have confirmed that. Just an observation I have.

    Hope that helps.

    BP
  16. keep it simple!

    keep it simple! Been here awhile

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    Thx for the answer.
    Because it's always better too much protection than too less protection my choice will be between the GX1 or the G React.
    Q: the traditional stitch on sole ( GOODYEAR WELT construction ) or new MOLDED WELT SOLE, can both types of soles be changed when used?

    Louis
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    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    Hello Louis.

    Those are good choices. Note that only the welt construction can be resoled.

    Buona Fortuna,

    BP
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    keep it simple! Been here awhile

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    only the welt construction can be resoled.

    Do you mean only the Goodyear welt construction (stitched) can be resoled?
    Does that mean if i choose the molded welt sole (in Europe we have the GX 1 EV0 model available which I think is very light with it's molded welt sole) and the soles are used due to much standing on the pegs (i.e.trial) i must throw away the boots?
  19. Brtp4

    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    Yes, that is what I mean. For reference, the phrase "molded welt sole" is oxymoronic, more marketing-speak that actual technique.

    BP
  20. Jake Mountain

    Jake Mountain Been here awhile

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    There's a whole lot of great boots out there that they don't make in size 14, whatever euro size that is. Not sure cuz I don't live there.