New Garmin Montana

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.

  1. SKINNY

    SKINNY Been here awhile

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    I tried updating to 4.10 yesterday...went thru the web udater...it found my unit and offered the new download and an optional file for voice and text.
    Clicked on the download and it ran less than 2 seconds, announced it was done, and to restart the GPS.
    On restart, it went straight to the opening screen with no hint that it had installed anything.
    Went to setup/about and it shows Beta 4.03
    I found the files that were just installed by looking for the current date. The XML still shows the 4.03 Beta with no mention of 4.10
    If I try to reinstall 4.10 thru the web updater
    it now says I already have the latest software.
    I tried downloading Beta 4.04 and another attempt at the web updater...no luck
    I may have to call Garmin on this one....
  2. Rocky TFS

    Rocky TFS Been here awhile

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    Uh Oh, I didn't either.....what was the Route Planner bug?
    And was the sequence you used after the first install exactly the same as what you said above? Nothing in there about removing custom profiles.
  3. Rocky TFS

    Rocky TFS Been here awhile

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    See post #3699....maybe that will help.
  4. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    The problem I encountered after loading v4.04 was that if the Route Planner was empty and you crated a new Route, there was a missing sequence in the workflow and the Route was not saved - even if you started Navigating the new Route. A few other folks over on the Wiki tried to duplicate this but without success. It was at that point, I backtracked and figured I didn't get a clean update during one of the Beta installs do to my lack of "install discipline".

    On a similar but completely different topic. . .:norton

    Since the release of v3.90 I have noticed a condition with Custom Profiles and I have yet to identify the root cause. I have sent several of my Custom Profiles to Garmin but the issues still persists with v4.10. In short, even though my Profile sets Routing Activity to Automotive the Montana will only calculate a Direct Route. I first have to change to a "factory" Activity that does Along-road routing and then calculate a route with that Profile before I can switch back to my Profile and get Automotive Activity to work. Once this is done, I can switch between Routing Activities with various profiles and no problems. I have deleted (removed) Custom Profiles and started over using the Automotive factory Profile each time with the same results - eventually, but not immediately.

    How's that for a Holiday Conundrum :hmmmmm

    Cheers,
  5. arraflipper

    arraflipper Been here awhile

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    Right now I don't need tracks just want to have the North American roads loaded in a Montana. I see all these updates and beta stuff is it all just for tracks or will need to be downloading a bunch of updates to just use the North American roads, also? It would be nice to have one GPS that will do everything like the Montana, but kind of wonder after reading all the little problems that everyone keeps having. I would like to get used to it this summer, before using all the off road features this fall.
  6. Rocky TFS

    Rocky TFS Been here awhile

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    I think you've got Gremlins in your Montana! Mine doesn't do either. (Hail Mary)

    After all the work you've done free for Garmin you REALLY should get a brand new free Montana!!!:clap:clap:clap

    What about it guys? Shall we start an email campaign to get Dan a new one?? At the very least they ought to give him a consulting fee. I'll bet he's personally responsible for at least two dozen folks jumping off the fence and buying one. I know I'm one! I spent a month perusing this thread before purchase, and it was largely Dan's confidence and knowledge that tipped the scales. (Not to mention posting about 50% of the answers here!!!)
    :freaky
  7. marco polo

    marco polo Been here awhile

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    The most recent "official-release" firmware update for the Montana is v4.10. It's not a beta release and it is the most up to date as Garmin released it just a few days ago. To load North American roads in the Montana (and presumably you will also want them on your computer) you need to buy optional maps. If you're looking to create on-road routes, then you would want to get City Navigator North America. Most prefer buying it on a DVD which you can then use to load those maps onto your PC/Mac. From there you'd download the same maps from your PC to your Montana GPS. You can then create routes on your PC, or the GPS itself.
  8. dvwalker

    dvwalker Working to ride

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    I noticed this behavior as well, also using custom on/off road profiles you created and posted to dropbox. I've had to switch to the factory automotive profile a couple times now to get things to work correctly. Only had to do this a couple times, since I rarely use Routes on the Montana, so far minor nuisance.
  9. marco polo

    marco polo Been here awhile

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    I currently have my City Navigator maps stored in the Montana's internal memory. The consensus seems to be that I should store them on the microSD card instead. Two questions:

    1) what's the advantage of doing this; is it simply to free up some of the device's internal memory?

    2) how do I do this? Do I simply cut and paste the ".img" file from the Garmin folder on the device to the Garmin folder on the MicroSD card, along with the ".gma" files of the same date as the "img" file? I have two ".gma" files on the device (these contain the unlock code(s) for the maps, right?).
  10. Rocky TFS

    Rocky TFS Been here awhile

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    Actually it's the off road features of the Montana that work best, very few of us have had problems using direct routing on topo maps, or tracks. It's making autoroutes in Basecamp and and uploading them to the Montana that has given so many of us fits. (it's a Basecamp issue, not a Montana issue, largely because Basecamp is not intuitive at all, especially for folks that are used to MapSource.)

    Even so, official release 4.10 is most definitely an improvement and worth doing....stay away from Beta's if you don't like being Sherlock Holmes!:rofl

    And it's true, the Montana does do just about everything, but you have to spend some time getting to know all the little tips and tricks to make it really shine, and to do exactly what you expect it to do.
  11. Emmbeedee

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  12. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    As Rocky noted, what you see here most recently is a lot of Beta Testing going on. We are actually "looking" for bugs. If you stick to the public releases that come via WebUpdater you will be fine. Routing generally works quite well. Just a few little "tricks" to use in BaseCamp or MapSource to get Routes to behave on the Montana.

    1. Don't put Viapoints on Intersection - put them at least 50ft. AFTER the Intersection. (Viapoints are what you create when you click on the map to anchor the route to a specific road.
    2. Don't make more Viapoints than you absolutely need to. Use Waypoints instead if you can. And make sure that both Waypoints and Viapoints are actually ON the road and not just off of the road.

    Enjoy your Montana...

    Cheers,
  13. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    At frist I thought it was something in the Custom Profile's causing this condition but I've sent several to Garmin and no feedback as to any anomalies. Not knowing what the Montana code is actually doing with the Profile variables makes it hard for me to find this problem (problem may be a harsh word - it's easy enough to correct).

    If I had a Montana software emulator for my Mac or Win machine, I'd program up a robot and find this thing in no time.

    Cheers,
  14. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Now that MapInstall is a bit smarter, the only advantage that I know of is that you can easily remove your maps from the device if you think there is an issue. They seem to index just as quickly from either location.

    Cheers,
  15. Famous

    Famous Goin down hill fast

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    While out with my friend the other day her 650T stopped functioning via the screen (she has just purchased it two weeks ago)
    The screen reads the front page & shows the time & position correcrtly
    I've tried doing a master reset but with no luck
    I've brought it home & downloaded the pictures & tracks from it, did a back-up & tried updating to 4.10 all went without a hitch but still no go with the touch screen

    Any ideas:norton or does it look like the screen interface has failed

    Apologies if this has come up before, I've tried using the thread search tool but to no avail.
  16. Callahan

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    Did you try a master reset ?

    This I have seen mentioned many times for various other issues.
  17. marco polo

    marco polo Been here awhile

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    Thanks. Given what you've said, I think I'll just leave the maps in internal memory. I load routes and waypoints to the microSD card (as you've suggested in a couple of other threads) and tracks to internal memory.
  18. Spiritwalker2222

    Spiritwalker2222 Been here awhile

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    This reply is a little late but...

    I measured the current draw with the Montana "OFF" at 100mA.
  19. Famous

    Famous Goin down hill fast

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    Yes the first thing I tried, even though its the fourth line of my post
  20. Jan from Finland

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    Does this work if you reverse the route? Does it make any difference if you put the Viapoint before the intersection?

    When you have to put a Viapoint instead of a Waypoint. The whole concept of Viapoints is new to me. My Magellan had just POIs and Waypoints. What is the difference if you make the route using only waypoints?