New Garmin Montana

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.

  1. FatChance

    FatChance Road Captain

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    I used that same method for years with Mapsource and my 276C. Since I got my Montana and have done the same thing with Mapsource (I do save routes as gpx and copy to Montana) and also have done the same thing with Basecamp and used Basecamp to copy the routes to the Montana. Basecamp has some advantages, but saying that, I have not had any limitations using Mapsource with the Montana for my purposes.

    Edit: When routing, I use waypoints in intersections and have never used direct routing. For the way I use the Montana on trips I never use tracks. It all has worked without problem for me. My routes have never changed on the Montana from which ever program I used to create them (Mapsource or Basecamp). YMMV, but it has worked for me.
  2. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Just so as not to misguide anyone, I'm still a proponent of creating my along-road Routes in BaseCamp and then creating a Track for each. Both Tracks and Routes are sent to the Montana. I "Show on Map" the Track for the Route I'm navigating. If the Route misbehaves then I simply follow the Track and let the Route "recalculate". If it doesn't calculate a Route path that follows the Track I stop Navigating and restart the Route. Simple and almost always "fixes" any Route issue. And, I never stopped riding since I had the Track to follow.

    Cheers,
  3. Yossarian™

    Yossarian™ Deputy Cultural Attaché

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    Thanks much for that brief explanation.

    Typically I follow tracks prepared and downloaded, and when out and about let the unit route me for ad-hoc directions. However, I do see a fair amount of value in your methodology and will likely adopt it for my future needs.
  4. NCD

    NCD Dirty Hairy

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    I like this idea also. Just so I know what to expect first time around . . . my Zumo would take a route with say, 50 vias and only use about 30. The ones that it would discard would often cause the route to go astray from where I wanted to be. Does the Montana use this same 'logic' or does it leave them all in place? (That's why the high via count was needed on the Zumo to make the route stay true to form.)
  5. atlas cached

    atlas cached OX Ambassador

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    Just want to ask, if, when a Route fails to behave as expected, you can just follow the Track instead, until the Route again begins to behave as you wish, why use Routes in the first place? Why not just use the Tracks you create?
  6. TowPro

    TowPro Lets ride

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    i don't use tracks because only routes tell me "Left turn on X road in .5 miles".
    sure I can use proximity alarms (as Dan has pointed out) but I mostly navigate by just the audio output of the GPS.
    It has something to do with not wearing bifocal glasses and the size of the GPS screen :eyes
  7. atlas cached

    atlas cached OX Ambassador

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    Ahhh.

    Prompted Navigation Directions.

    Thank You. :)
  8. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    OK, you caught me. :evil I don't use Routing much at all. I only create them so I can easily create Tracks. When I do use Routing, it's usually to just play with the settings to see how the code will behave. On rare occasions I'll use Routing when I'm in unfamiliar Cities (that have good maps) so I can get better visual guidance from the GPS.

    But, again, I'm a Track guy and Routing is just a "toy" to be played with - not relied upon.

    Cheers,
  9. Yossarian™

    Yossarian™ Deputy Cultural Attaché

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    True enough, but when you ride some of the places that I ride, you find out that the route you created, turned into a track, and are now following, isn't available as a means of transport any longer. Multiple fallen trees over roads or trails, roads now closed, bridges out, etc. It is in those instances where it is quite handy for me to look at the next waypoint on my intended track and perform a Route-to function to get me past the current hurdle.
  10. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    For those of you that want a Bluetooth dongle for the Montana, I have been playing with the new Sena SM10. I don't think it was really intended for this purpose but it does work with my Schuberth SRC-S quite well - with the following exception.

    If you read the spec's on the SM10 you will see that it supports [only] the A2DP (Stereo Audio) protocols on both of its headset channels (yours and your partners). This is not a problem as far as the Audio stream from the Montana is concerned but if your using your Headset's A2DP channel to stream your music then the SM10 will not play well. Bluetooth specification currently only supports one A2DP Headset channel. So, the last A2DP device pair owns the channel.

    For me it's simple, if I want/need Audio Navigation Prompts from the Montana, I'm not going to be listening to Music. So, I do the switching between the SM10 and my iPhone Music which requires I turn off and back on the SRC-S. No big deal.

    I know for many, there is the desire to have Music streaming and be awakened from your riding stupor by the sweet voice of Jill (or whomever your vocal pref might be) providing those critical Navigation Directions. Since most Comm Systems must do the switching of channels from A2DP to another audio channel, using something like the Sena SR10 you don't hear the first part of the GPS audio. With my setup, I hear ever word that Jill speaks to me. But then, I'm waiting with anticipation [A2DP is active] to hear from her. :rofl

    Cheers,
  11. TowPro

    TowPro Lets ride

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    on the SR10, you can always double tap the PTT button, and your connection between the Montana and headset will be permanent, but then you can't listen to your MP3's.

    I did just send the montana crew are request about maybe adding a user configurable feature that sends maybe a tone (then pause) through the audio before spoken directions to trigger bluetooth devices like the SR10. Someone hear said another garmin line already has this option.
  12. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    A little off topic but what would be really cool would be if the SM10 could pair one of the two channels not using A2DP but rather the standard Audio protocol - if you so chose. I asked Sena but I don't think it'll happen.

    Cheers,
  13. TowPro

    TowPro Lets ride

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    again, the SR10 can do this. It uses the HFP profile to connect to your head set.
    you can also pair your phone -> to SR10 -> your head set.
    But the Sena headset (smh10) supports 2 HFP devices so I Just pair the phone to SMH10 and the SR10 to the SMH10.
    the SR10 does not do A2DP, so it will not sound great (or even stereo) when you plug a MP3 player in to it.
    But the montana is only mono, and sounds good through the SR10.
  14. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    I have been using (playing with) Adventures since the release. I have found them to be quite handy in developing my ride activities - not just after the fact.

    Here is how I am using them:

    I plan my trip in a New List. Once I have my first day complete I create an Adventure from the days track and other data (Waypoints, etc). That Adventure is called Day-1 (not really, I name it something more appropriate like - 05 Oct 2012 Hawk Creek.) :D

    Then I move on to Day-2 and when I'm ready to send all of my trip data to the Montana I just send the Adventures (since they have all of the Waypoints, Tracks, etc. in them. Using Adventures I can name my daily data anything I wish and not worry about duplicate names because each Adventure is separate from BaseCamps My Collection. On the Montana, I won't confuse my riding partners because they only have to open the days Adventure where they will see the days Track/s, Waypoints, Geocaches and Photos.

    For you Route users, well it's still a bit confusing since Routes are not included in the Adventure "Content" - even though the Routes are transferred to the Montana they do not show in the Content list. They do show in the Route Planner but now you've lost context to the Adventure.

    I have requested that these features be added to Adventures on the Montana:

    • Show Routes in the Adventure Content list.
    • Show CustomMaps and BirdsEye Imagery in the Content list.

    For folks creating multi-day trips or Events, Adventures could be a real plus in organization both within BaseCamp and on the GPS's that support them: 62/78, Oregon 450-550, Dakota and of course the Montana. I currently create an Adventure for each Day in a trip where I can see at a glance all of the info for that Day - no confusion as to naming conventions or what Track is for what Date. Easy to find and manage on the GPS for folks not as "in-tune" with the newer Garmin GPS's.

    By using Adventures In-Trip, the task of editing and cleanup is much reduced post-trip since all work is done in the Adventure in BaseCamp. Once I'm finished I can publish the ride's Adventures or not.

    Cheers,
  15. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Yes, I am aware of the SR10's capabilities - tested one extensively for a month. But, I was looking for a smaller "simpler" unit and the SM10 is just right - well, if they would do as I requested and allow me to pair a channel via the HFP Audio stream.

    Cheers,
  16. bighopper

    bighopper Been here awhile

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    I have this setup for both my 1150GSA & K1200lt. I just did 2 trips on the LT with this setup & found that i need to have an audio booster from the Montana to the AUX port in order to hear Karen (lovely OZ voice) over the wind & yes dare I say it music. I have the SM10 linked to the LT's comm system & it works great, although I think SENA needs to do a firmware up date to allow adjustment of the silencing/muting of the AUDIO channel when the AUX kicks in.
  17. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    thanks for the confirmation. This is exactly what I want to do. Will the SR10 pair automatically? ie: can I pair it once, have it buried somewhere connected to bike power and just forget about it?
  18. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Speaking of Adventures, I was doing some archiving/deleting through the Track Manager and the tracks associated with Adventures show in the TM, and if you try to archive or delete them, it looks possible but nothing ever happens when you try.

    You must delete the Adventure referencing that track first, then go back to Track Manager and delete or archive now works.

    And while Archiving, my Montana turned off about every third time I pushed the Archive button.
  19. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    At this stage in Adventure development I can understand that trying to Archive an Adventure Track might cause problems. Even though the Track shows up in the Track Manager, the Adventure app must maintain control over the data within each Adventure. It does that through the ADV file in the Adventures folder. You may have noticed that each ADV file has a unique "name/ID" and that the associated Waypoint, Track, Geocaches and Photo-folder also have that same name/ID.

    I just gave Archiving a try with interesting results. The unit archived the Track and did not shutdown. I could go to Archive and bring the Track back in to the active list (Make Favorite) but now the linkage to it's Adventure is broken because the Track was renamed to it's original_name.gpx instead of the Adventure name/ID.gpx.

    I guess the bottom line for now is don't mess with Adventure data that is in any of the other Apps: Waypoint Manager, Track Manager, Route Planner, Geocaches, Photo Viewer.

    Cheers,
  20. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Hopefully Garmin will remove the Archive/Delete options for items which have dependencies such as Adventures. Makes it a little confusing when it looks like you can do something, but the gps just sits there...

    Sorry to hear about your Birdseye problem in Basecamp. Sounds depressing, having to repeat your downloading yet again.