New Garmin Montana

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.

  1. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    I agree 100%. Having worked in telecom and other high tech industries it amazes me how really piss poor Garmin software is.
  2. Rocky TFS

    Rocky TFS Been here awhile

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    Anybody actually want to answer my question? :rofl
  3. konfucius

    konfucius Been here awhile

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    Please do, it's a BIG problem! As it is now I need to split a days route into four or more pieces...


    I'll send them a mail again to.
  4. AugustFalcon

    AugustFalcon Long timer

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    Perhaps if TopoFusion and other folks actually wrote their GPX files to more strictly adhere to the published standard there would be fewer problems reading them in BaseCamp. :deal

    The Garmin BaseCamp team is looking into relaxing their input code so tht it will not so strictly enforce the published standards.

    You might also try running the non-standards compliant code through something like GPSBabel to rewrite it to the published standard before importing it into BaseCamp.
  5. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    The issue you have is that the Montana is trying to route you but it still has data from a previous map set. The Montana does not support using Route data from a map set that is not equivalent to the one on the unit.

    You WILL need to recalculate your old Routes using the same map version in BaseCamp as the one on the Montana. I repeat, you will need to RECALCULATE your Routes - NOT recreate them. And yes, you will want to check your recalculated routes to make sure that they are now taking the same path as before.

    If you want to use Routing this is the price you pay. I don't think Garmin is going to change that condition.

    Cheers,
  6. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    I absolutely agree. I spend way to much time "fixing" GPX data from these great applications to enable it in the "STANDARDS" world of Garmin. Don't forget, this community was one of the loudest when it came to Garmin getting onboard with the GPX standard. I for one am glad they did.

    My only request of BaseCamp with respect to GPX compliance is that the program give me the line # that failed so I don't have to retest the file in my XML editor to find it.

    Cheers,
  7. atlas cached

    atlas cached OX Ambassador

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    OK, I can try this.

    Which XML editor do you test GPX files with?
  8. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    First thing I do is run bad files through XML Validator

    Then for GPX specific issues (and other XML stuff) I use XMLmind's XML Editor Professional Edition on my Mac.

    Cheers,
  9. atlas cached

    atlas cached OX Ambassador

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    Thank You!

    Now I can't wait to get home this evening and test some GPX files... :D
  10. Rocky TFS

    Rocky TFS Been here awhile

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    A VERY important distinction!:clap

    So, further experimentation has revealed that all issues with Recent finds went away after clearing the cache. (See original post)

    I have gone over about 25 routes in Basecamp that I use often, merely changing the activity to direct and back to automobile, then back to direct for transfer to the unit, while CNNA 2013.2 is selected as the map. They all appear to work correctly, although I haven't ridden them yet. When selected on the unit with 2013.2 as the selected map, they show as a direct route, after few seconds the route disappears and comes back as an along road route.

    As I go through all my routes, some of which have not been used for years, I will have to clean up other stuff, such as having WAY more than 50 viapoints, if I want to use them on the Montana. The problem with this is I have many old routes created for the Etrex or 76C the old fashioned way, with lots of waypoints to approximate the route. Since I still USE the 76C on my dirtbike with just the 100K topo or a non-routable state map, I'm not sure I want to change all of these. So I will most likely end up with the old routes in Mapsource for the 76C and the newer ones using CNNA in Basecamp, saving the possibility of recalculating an old route that is NOT intended for the Montana thus rendering it useless on the 76C.

    I use the F650GS almost 100% on the pavement and the TW200 almost 99% in the dirt, so this may work fine.

    Life just seems to get more complex the older you get......:gerg
  11. moto-treks

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    Windows only :eek1 don't these guys know OS X rules :rofl
  12. atlas cached

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    You might consider making a copy of each route, performing the recalculation for the current mapping, and appending the name with something like [CN2013.20] or [Montana] and [eTrex], and store them in separate folders in BaseCamp...
  13. Rocky TFS

    Rocky TFS Been here awhile

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    Now THAT is a GREAT idea!!!!:clap What would I do without all you guys!:freaky
  14. atlas cached

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    So, the validator says some of my GPX files are in poor form....

    What do I do now?
  15. SKINNY

    SKINNY Been here awhile

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    I think some of the problem with existing routes is waypoint related...I've got dozens of routes that go back several versions of City Navigator..I always reload them in the latest CN and regenerate the route before loading on my Montana, but I've had several routes that give me the " maps don't match the route" message and a subsequent refusal to recalc. I'm too lazy to look at the GPX file and see if there is any version related info hooked to the waypoints that won't update unless you regenerate the waypoints in the same version of CN (on the GPS) that you have in Mapsoure or Base camp...
  16. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    The easy approach is to use a program like GPSBabel to rewrite the file by doing a GPX to GDB conversion. The typical failure is from a lack of proper GPX Header in the file. Many of the [great] free user programs out there don't write proper headers because they don't expect anyone to actually "share" their data with anything that cares - many GPS's don't care about "header" data - like Google Earth.

    If GPSBabel finds an error it will show you where the error is. At that point if you are comfortable at editing GPX data, then open the file in your XML editor and fix the bad syntax or data. Here is where you will have to understand what valid data looks like in a GPX file as well as the different GPX XSLT's that Garmin has used over the years for their Extensions. In the past some of the early Garmin GPX syntax's were not read by BaseCamp: i.e, cause an error. I don't know if they fixed all of that.

    Cheers,
  17. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    There is no map specific data associated with Waypoints. That is why Waypoints (assuming the data is valid) will always transfer from GPS to GPS. Routing data is the issue when it comes to Map Versions. That Routing Data is provided by the Map and if it does not correlate with the data that is in the use to define the Route you are sending the GPS will have "issues". Most likely the issue is that the Waypoint is no longer within the road data that it was originally or it is on an Intersection - which can cause routing issues on the Montana.

    There are obviously still issues with routing. Any other GPS would simply recalculate the route - which would most likely change the original path. In order to meet customer requests that Routes created on the same map sets NOT be recalculated the Montana code was written to not EDIT (recalculate) these routes. But, when there is a routing condition that would require any path change the code runs into it's on self imposed constraints. Therefore the error. By the way, that's all subjective speculation on my part.

    Cheers,
  18. OceanMtnSea

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    It is good to have a sense of humour when dealing with gps issues :D!
  19. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    My Montana is hooked into switched power on my bike. I noticed the other day that it only had 1/2 battery charged even though it showed the lightning bolt. When I turn key off it always asks me if I want to run it off battery or let it shut down. It seems to be acting "normal".

    I leave the Montana in the cradle and key in ignition in my garage. Today it was completely dead. Of course, when turning the key it fired up like normal. Does this use up battery even when shut down? It's not a huge problem, just a minor annoyance. I used the same switched source on my zumo with none of these shenanigans. Is this another Montana quirk?
  20. Yossarian™

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    Mine does not, but I never leave it in an unpowered cradle.