New Garmin Montana

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.

  1. Rocky TFS

    Rocky TFS Been here awhile

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    If you use CNNA mostly for navigation in cities and suburbs, it's probably worth it, 'cause those roads are constantly changing. You can get a lifetime card on Amazon for about $55, about the same as a single update.

    If you use it for navigation mostly in the country and get updated POI's on your phone, it may not be worth the bother.
  2. guavadude

    guavadude de-composer

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    Good to know about Amazon update, thanks!
  3. mass-klr

    mass-klr Been here awhile

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    Hi,

    Ordered my 650T and Amps rugged mount. (Can't wait :D )

    When mounting the Amps mount for the Montana what do you usually do with the audio cable? Do you just coil it up somewhere in the front near the mount?

    And what is the prefered method of hooking the mount up to the battery, switched or not? Does it make sense to connect it to a SAE lead close to the Mount?

    Thanks for the advice...
  4. Bill Murray

    Bill Murray Been here awhile

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    Congratulations! :clap

    I ran an audio extension cable from the steering head, under the tank, to the base of the seat. This allows me to plug in a set of ear buds, or a coiled audio cable to my Scala Rider G4. My bike has a CANBus accessory connector in the steering head area. I have my Montana 650 connected to that power source (it is a switched source that powers down about 45 seconds after the ignition is shut off).
  5. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Sounds like the exact setup i have on the 4 rugged mounts I have here: Cable coiled with tie-wraps holding it to the crossbar, and powered by an SAE cable at the steering head.

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  6. mass-klr

    mass-klr Been here awhile

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    So you are not cutting the power cord of the mount shorter? Left it long and coil with audio?
  7. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    No, I cut the power cable a few inches from the junction so most of the coiled part is just the audio cable.
  8. Rocky TFS

    Rocky TFS Been here awhile

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    I left everything long, coiled and tied off somewhere out of the way so I could still access the audio plug for earbuds or for someday when I moved it to another bike. I don't use the audio much for my kind of riding.

    I prefer a direct wire to the battery so that the Montana doesn't keep powering off during short stops, with the attendant waiting for it to re-boot. When home for the day, I just unmount it and let in hang in the mount by the lanyard. (You DO have a lanyard in mind, don't you?) However, my bike lives in my garage, so theft is not an issue.

    Switched or not, you still have to remove it when theft is a concern. There are numerous posts in this thread about the pros and cons of each....search for Rugged Mount.
  9. Yossarian™

    Yossarian™ Deputy Cultural Attaché

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    Thanks for the heads-up. I got a lifetime card from Amazon for $54.

    It worked flawlessly.

    Best price I've seen on the lifetime maps option.
  10. Shov3BR

    Shov3BR Tinkerer

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    I prefer to have as little cable as possible on my dash or bars so I shorten everything where possible. Here's the Montana install on my KTM 990 ADV.
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    The mount is home brew that uses a bicycle axle skewer for tilt. It is semi-easy to remove. The cradle tilt plate is slotted on one side only so the skewer nut has to be fully removed to get the cradle off the base bracket. The cradle removal is a 5 minute exercise and prevents the 10 second ripoff. This lets me leave the cradle on almost all of the time without having to worry about it "growing legs".

    I shortened the Montana harness between the cradle and the "Y" and again at the power cable. The plug is one of our Baryl plugs. The audio cable was left full length. I curl it up between the speedo and GPS cradle.

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    The power cable plugs into a Baryl panel-mount socket that is connected to switched power rather than direct to the battery. The Montana gives the option to "Turn Off" or "Stay On" when the bike is switched off so it doesn't have to be restarted after a fuel stop.

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  11. mass-klr

    mass-klr Been here awhile

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    Thanks for all the advice guys...
  12. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Comments on a 36hr. 600 mile RT I just completed.
    Prior to leaving, I uploaded a few different routes. One I stole off the internet somewhere cos it looked so damn good. I don't know if my issues were user error or Montana quirkiness. Frankly, none of what I describe ever happened with my zumo, so I'm guessing Montana quirky.

    The routes I made, that started as tracks in BC, worked fine. No issues. They were also very short.

    The route I stole off the internet did not. The route was completely different. I'm assuming due to Montana doing its own thing-which is ok. However, the bigger issue was that it would only load sometimes. I'd tell it load, and it wouldn't or it might. Then, it would route me back to the beginning. Or, sometimes to the end. On the rare occasion it actually routed anything, and it was acceptable, I didn't touch the gps for fear of it losing me and not being able to route again. It was very frustrating. I'm happy to accept user error and be educated here. It seems weird that I'd find the route under routing, touch it, and nothing though.. well, sometimes nothing! Sometimes part. Sometimes all. Different everytime!

    Oh, and occasionally I'd look down and Montana would be off:huh taking a nap maybe? It would just be off. Hit the power button and it would fire up like nothing happened.

    Another annoyance with my particular unit is the search. Often times the arrow (enter button) won't work. I need to touch it many times and it might. Or might not. I tried to find an address on Main st. in Concord, NH (state capital) and it couldn't fine main st.

    When it works, its great. Mostly, though I miss my Zumo:cry
  13. mbabc

    mbabc Curmudgeon trainee

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    Followed Emmbeedee's plan...


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    I keep the coiled extra in my tank bag on both the Tenere and WR. I cut the audio and heat shrinked the nubs.


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  14. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    There are so many variables in Routing that I'm not even going to touch that issue but the unit powering off might be caused by battery vibration. Do you have the earplug on the battery to stop it bouncing around?

    And regarding the address on Main st in Concord, my gps finds that street in City Navigator.

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  15. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    I'll try the earplug. The main st. issue was one of the times enter didn't work:huh
  16. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    In the Search menu it's the "Check" in the bottom right of the screen you're calling Enter"? Always works for me. Were you wearing gloves?

    Also, when searching, the less information you put into the search, the more likely you are to be successful. As long as you put in enough letters in the search to make your result easily findable, it usually works.

    So if I was looking for "Woodroffe" street, I'd put in "Woodr" then hit the check and let it bring up all occurrences. I would not put the full word in, and I wouldn't put "st" or "Street" or anything like that.

    Let the gps find the first part, then choose from the results to find the right one.

    Often even leaving the city name out is helpful.
  17. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    Thanks for the help. Yeah, the check is what I'm referring to.

    That's how I do it. Same as I always did with my zumo. I just tried doing the same thing from the comfort of my couch, and still had some problems. Eventually, I was able to find the address, but it took too many tries for my comfort. Seems like something isn't right. When it finally did find the correct address, it took a long time to find it. Finally, the address popped up. Sorry to seem so high maintenance, but I appreciate the help.
  18. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Which maps do you have on the unit? If you have multiple maps, you should not have them all enabled at once. When you have the City Navigator enabled, you should also have the Basemap enabled - this makes searches faster according to many experts.

    I created multiple map based profiles so anytime I want to check a particular map, I go to it via its shortcut and that way all the right settings are switched accordingly.

    One thing to note - if you do a map update, then that updated map becomes enabled on all profiles. So getting the latest City Navigator will make that map enabled, and dominant in all profiles.

    City Navigator is the highest map in the draw order - it always takes precedence over all other maps, hiding the other map detail in the process.

    Annoying, but easy to deal with as long as you're aware of it.
  19. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Also, when you did the search "on your couch", was the unit in Demo mode or still searching for satellites indoors? That can cause slowdowns. Using it indoors, you should always go to Setup/System/Demo first.
  20. Jon_PDX

    Jon_PDX Long timer

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    Good point on the maps. It is a hassle to have to make the changes for each profile though. I don't suppose there is a global setting that will enable/disable maps for all profiles is there? I looked but could not find anything like that.

    Also, do we really need all default the birds eye stuff that came with the unit enabled?

    And how about the USGS Quads? What's it for?

    If that stuff (birds eye and quads) is not needed, can we safely remove it from the Montana (after backing it up) instead of having to disable it in all the profiles?

    Jon...