New Garmin Montana

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.

  1. chaslins

    chaslins n00b

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2011
    Oddometer:
    7
    Location:
    Lake Conroe, Tx
    Great idea, but trying to keep internal memory open to hold all of the tracks if possible. Need to find out how big that is and if it will take both. Thank you
  2. Boughton

    Boughton Adventurer

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2009
    Oddometer:
    24
    Location:
    Hailey, Idaho
    Well~ I have finally gotten all my goods from Garmin. Montana 600 and CNNA, however it's not working flawlessly. I'm able to download the DVD CNNA to my Macbook Pro Computer and everything is fine. The problem is when I try and send the maps to the GPS, the MAPInstall crashes with and error message. I'm able to install a few maps at a time but when I get to about 35 maps the system crashes. Any thoughts. Garmin say's its the computer and Apple says it's the Garmin software.


    :norton
  3. shaweetz

    shaweetz Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    Oddometer:
    226
    Location:
    Ottawa, CDN
    Garmin has, for a long time, differentiated their two cable functions with an 18k resistor to ground from the 5th pin of the mini USB connector. I suspect Montana is similar, from the description. Pin X is used by various vendors to enforce the use of their own chargers, in violation of the USB specification.
  4. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2008
    Oddometer:
    10,118
    Location:
    Near Ottawa, ON, Canada
    It sounds like the computer to me too. Are you running out of drive space? Emptied the trash recently? My Mac has no problem with MapInstaller.
  5. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Oddometer:
    10,210
    Location:
    NWA
    Got my 650 T from them for $499. I'd say that's well below MSRP. :D
  6. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Oddometer:
    10,210
    Location:
    NWA
    Yes, you can display elevation on one of the data fields.
  7. Bli55

    Bli55 -

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Oddometer:
    405
    Location:
    Russia, N56 E49.
    Please help, did something really stupid earlier!! :puke1

    As the Montana was switching on, I was wiping the screen, and, guess what - did a master reset....
    What to do now?
    The first profile listed (recreational) was the one I used to modify and create a base which I was planning to duplicate to create other profiles sharing same basic features and why it's the one I need to restore back.
    But it seems that recreational profile is the only one wiped out to default settings??? :huh

    I had backed up entire "garmin" directory, do you just copy the entire folder back after a master reset??
  8. Mac

    Mac Long timer

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,160
    Location:
    Colorado Springs
    I see a lot of questions about using multiple maps on the same device, or in the same folder. This is how I use three maps on the same device. There may be other ways, but this works for me. I reserve my memory space on the device for storing BirdEye imagery, tracks and such. All my maps stay in the same folder on a 32G uSD card, installed in my 650T.

    By default, all supplemental maps are typically named the same - "gmapsupp.img". Just rename each img file as they installed on the card (or on the device). Once the installed map is renamed, then you can install another map (then rename it as well), and so on.

    Here is a copy of the "Garmin" folder in my uSD card. Also, I keep a copy of this folder on my computer hard drive, as a backup.

    [​IMG]
  9. chaslins

    chaslins n00b

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2011
    Oddometer:
    7
    Location:
    Lake Conroe, Tx
    Mac, thanks for the information. What is the UNL 1kb and GMA 3kg? And do you think I can get the city nav. Off the Garmin sd card to a 32 G card? Thanks
  10. Mac

    Mac Long timer

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,160
    Location:
    Colorado Springs

    As long as the citynav (or any other locked map) is registered to that particular device, you can move it around at will and still use it.

    Since the Garmin USB interface is kinda slow, you can take the little uSD card out of the device and put it in a USB adapter straight into your computer. If you have two adapters, you can copy the "garmin" folder from one sd card to another.

    If you just have one adapter, you can copy the folder to your hard drive, then to your new uSD card.

    If you have multiple maps you want to put in the same folder, they have to be renamed, as I described above.

    ... and I don't know what those other little files are, but I didn't mess with them.
  11. chaslins

    chaslins n00b

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2011
    Oddometer:
    7
    Location:
    Lake Conroe, Tx
    Great information. Thank you. Anything for or against up loading to basecamp then down to 32 g card. Getting smarter with this. Thanks
  12. 250senuf

    250senuf Long timer

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2008
    Oddometer:
    2,487
    Location:
    Nelson area, Kootenai, BC, Canada
    As Mac said. Just copy the file from one card to the other one. Keep Basecamp out of the move.
  13. chaslins

    chaslins n00b

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2011
    Oddometer:
    7
    Location:
    Lake Conroe, Tx
    Thanks sure like this forum. You guys will be tired of hearing from me but when I am done I will understand. Sam sends tracks tomorrow of TAT.
  14. SteveAZ

    SteveAZ Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2002
    Oddometer:
    1,221
    Location:
    AZ
    When the Montana "archives" a track where does it go? Internal memory? SD? Is it archived in whole or is it "compressed" or "filtered" with some of the data thrown out?
  15. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2008
    Oddometer:
    10,118
    Location:
    Near Ottawa, ON, Canada
    Internal memory, X:\Garmin\GPX\Archive

    AFAIK, there is nothing stripped out of the archived gpx, and if you want to use it in any way, you can make a "Favorite" out of it to bring it out of the archive directory.

    GPX files are very small so there's no need to fear filling your Montana's memory with them. The screen shot below is my Montana's GPX directory, including many routes and tracks from as far back as I can remember, and it's only 105 megabytes in size for 478 items.

    [​IMG]
  16. SteveAZ

    SteveAZ Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2002
    Oddometer:
    1,221
    Location:
    AZ
    Thanks! :thumb I usually setup the tracking for 1pt/sec which even though it will consume the most memory, like you say it would likely take years worth to take up any appreciable space. Someday it would be nice if Garmin would create "real" documentation but I'm not holding my breath...

    I did find out the answer to my other question about GPS elevation too... As I presumed it will only display and log the barometric sensor elevation. Oh well. I still have handheld units without sensors that will for the times it's important and if I really want I can get some other really slick "board level" units that will log at 20hz very accurately by using GPS, Glonass and Galileo signals...
  17. dresda

    dresda shut up and RIDE!

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,008
    Location:
    South Eastern Shore of Ontario
    Speaking of multiple maps, emmbeedee, tell us the story of the GPS that had no idea where any of our destinations were :)


    Sent via semaphore on Tapatalk
  18. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2008
    Oddometer:
    10,118
    Location:
    Near Ottawa, ON, Canada
    Your guess is as good as mine, but it looks to me like the OSM map was interfering in some way as the gps worked well once I deleted that map. But with the OSM map in the gps, even when it was disabled, I would do a search on a town and the gps would find the town but report it as being in the US, not Canada, where it actually was.

    Totally bizarre and makes me a little reluctant to put the OSM map back on.

    Here's an example. The Prescott NY actually refers to Prescott ON.

    [​IMG]

    It works as it should now that the OSM map is gone.
  19. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2003
    Oddometer:
    6,319
    Location:
    47°50′15.8″N, 119°56′21.9″W
    The reason that the OSM map reported the Canada location as being in the US is because the site (person) that compiled the map coded some of the Canada tiles as US.

    Cheers,
  20. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2008
    Oddometer:
    10,118
    Location:
    Near Ottawa, ON, Canada
    And that's how the invasion starts, right? :lol3

    If this was the only anomaly I'd still use the OSM maps but I saw many more bizarre names like Pembroke, ABC, and when searching for a location, I don't have time to guess what that ABC stands for.

    What's especially weird about my example, Prescott, NY, is that City Navigator was enabled at the time so why didn't it offer up Prescott, ON? What gives OSM priority/dominance?