New Garmin Montana

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.

  1. Yellow Pig

    Yellow Pig Allergic to Asphalt!

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    This is what i did, but when i create the others it does not let me change the map choice. Strange.
  2. SteveAZ

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    This has never worked reliably for me. It sometimes works and often times doesn't. I tried creating shortcuts to enable/disable certain maps but that was a complete waste...somethings messed up that it won't create the discrete "setups". POS...

    Something else has been a nuisance.... it seems that 80+% of the time I come to a stop in the car, the thing won't keep pointing the direction I'm headed. Doesn't seem to make much difference whether the compass is enabled or not although compass enabled generally works pretty well when handheld. I can set an old fashioned compass next to the unit in the car and it seems to point close enough to true so I'm not sure why the unit won't. More bugs I guess...
  3. USAIR

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    Earlier today I tried to install CNNA 2014.10 on the Montana (using garmin express) I thought it installed OK but when I checked closer it was a failed install.
    I tried to install few different ways still did not install correctly.
    I have the Garmin Lifetime Map Update Card.

    So what I had to do is install the map update using an old version of GarminMapUpdater
    It installed the new version of CNNA and "It Said It Would" uninstalled the old version.

    It did install the new version but it did not uninstall the old version.
    So I had to run MapInstall to remove the old version of CNNA.

    So if you have similar trouble this worked for me.

    Fred
  4. FireDog45

    FireDog45 Mid-life crisis sufferer

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    I'll take a stab at this: by "the thing" can I assume you just have the map open, not navigating and you're talking about the the blue pointer...?

    If that's the case I believe the movement you're seeing is a result of the error factor inherent in a GPSr. It assumes you've moved 3 feet and re-orients the pointer to reflect this movement. It as annoying and I don't recall my 2720 doing this. And, of course, I could be WAY off on this so take it for what it's worth :D
  5. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Nothing wrong with them as long as you don't get them to hot as they are thick enough to "pop" the touch screen and make the GPS think you touched the screen - somewhere. I prefer a clear screen protector. The Garmin ones are Anti-glare and just a bit of a mat finish. My eyes don't care for that.
  6. SteveAZ

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    Correct on my technical jargon (the thing). I agree that it is prolly due to error, and my other GPS's occasionally do this but waaaay less often...maybe 10-20% depending on sky coverage. This one is much worse by far, doing it most of the time I stop.

    Turning on the compass doesn't seem to help at all and I thought that's one of the things the compass is sorta for...and it seems to work when level pretty well but not so good when vertical... They claim it's a "tilt-compensated, 3-axis"...
  7. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    The Montana, being a versatile GPS, needs to have the sensitivity of a handheld as well as support motorized, marine and aviation needs. That's a lot of requirements in a single unit. We could all ask Garmin to add a "desensitize" feature but I'm sure most customers would never use it.
  8. SteveAZ

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    FWIW, even in my car in AZ sun with car interior getting up around 65°C when parked with Montana in it and the Garmin touch protectors, I've not seen any false touches (yet) when I power it up and it's likely around that same temperature.......
  9. SteveAZ

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    I'm sorry but that is nonsense. My other handheld units when used in the car don't do this... And why doesn't the compass work?
  10. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Nonsense? :hmmmmm

    The last thought I'll share with you: If I had a GPS that worked as poorly as your's seems to, I'd either send it back for a replacement or I'd sell it and find a better GPS. I've done just that more times than I can count.
  11. SteveAZ

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    I'd certainly considered selling it. The unit hardware doesn't appear to be a problem it's the shlock firmware so I don't see any reason to waste time sending it back - none of my complaints seem to be anything no one else is seeing. Frankly I hear about other common problems that I don't see (e.g. losing GPS fix)! The only thing about the hardware that comes to mind that I'd change in an ideal world is adding buttons (cheap), a better touch (not as cheap), a better SD socket (cheap, I worry about breaking that) and maybe GLONASS.

    I'd certainly considered selling it. I've got a fair bit of time and money invested in it (and maps/accessories) and selling it wouldn't help either of those things much since I'd spend even more time selling it (I don't have a ready place to go do that anyway), losing a large portion of the money spent and either spend more on another or live with the other older GPS's I've got. I've resigned myself to getting a couple of years out of it as a primary, getting a better unit later and relegating it to secondary/redundant/backup....it would be pretty good for that. It sucks as a primary for me though - I am a very demanding user on nav equipment and have been for a very long time.. LORAN, VOR's, ADF's and even CNAV or map and compass (fun and good to stay current!) and this unit *should* IMO function much better than it does since they *could* be fixed with the appropriate software effort. I'm not counting on Garmin to fix the problems or validate the features though. If they couldn't/wouldn't get it a whole lot better in the two years it's been out the hope seems dim...
  12. rpet

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    Or at least save the rest of us the grief and stop the constant complaining in this thread.
  13. guavadude

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    @SteveAZ, I just want to say in complete contrast that this is my very first gps.
    I had a very hard time pulling the trigger on any gps since I thought my iphone could pretty much do all I needed. Now that I have the Montana, it's taken me places I never would have gone. It's let me carry tracks from other people and create my own and I've gotten farther off the beaten path a little more every ride.

    Nothing's perfect and I send requests to Garmin too, but damn I've had a lot of fun with the help of this thing.
  14. dvmvm

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    Do you use the automount?
    When in the automount the compass is switched off automatically. Garmin did this, because the magnet in the speaker of the automount makes it totally useless. Try it yourself by holding the Montana near (but not in) the automount while watching the compass page.
  15. guavadude

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    I went to the Indian Nations Rally this past weekend at Greenleaf Park in NE Oklahoma, so I worked on using the Adventure function in BaseCamp and here's what I came up with:

    http://adventures.garmin.com/en-US/b...-rally-inr-13/

    Several things I think need tweaking in the program. You can't see the individual routes unless you download the adventure. Seems like you should be able to select them like you can a way point.
    And the other thing I'm not crazy about is that you lose the icons for the waypoints and they all become a generic purple flag.
    I just dragged photos from iphoto into the Adventure area and it geo tagged them and put them on the route. That's cool.

    I think I'll use flickr for the bulk of the shots and then just pick a few select ones for the Adventures otherwise it would be a mess.

    If anyone has more experience with Adventures lmk. Might be worth another thread if anyone is interested.


    Here a few shots I took at the Rally and of my ride home through the Ouachitas.

    http://flic.kr/s/aHsjG37Ky4
  16. JMartin

    JMartin Been here awhile

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    Took my Montana on its first road trip (Denver to Boise) today. Approaching Boise, say within 5 miles, the screen kept wildly jumping back and forth between the view that it had been in most of the day and the up-close view it automatically goes into when approaching a complicated intersection. I was only able to get it to stop by setting auto-zoom off.

    Otherwise, we liked the Montana.

    Jay
  17. Emmbeedee

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    Is your car a convertible? If not, then it doesn't count. It's the sun shining on the display/screen protector which causes the problem.
  18. atlas cached

    atlas cached OX Ambassador

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    How much do you want for all of it?
  19. SteveAZ

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    I just don't see phones truly competing with dedicated nav units for many uses... it's good to hear from someone who's discovering the tremendous value these things bring to the table. I'm an older, crabbier curmudgeon that has truly enjoyed being able to navigate and realize the benefit these tools bring a whole lot.

    I still think that it's really valuable to hone good map and compass skills... they'll improve how you use GPS (GNSS) and are still useful when you are out adventuring. Celestial navigation skills aren't so useful since you have to be pretty good to put yourself even to <1mi, but understanding them will also make you appreciate and understand how to more effectively use the modern tools.
  20. SteveAZ

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    Ahhhh, yes one of the reasons I post my challenges with the unit... people can shed light!!! I wondered why the compass didn't work right in the car and that's a great explanation. I'm guessing the AMPS mount doesn't do this then and I should really consider one!!!! I've already got a Ram suction and arm and I don't really need a chatty cathy (or Jill or whoever) anyway.... It still seems worse than others at filtering keeping pointed straight without a compass though but perhaps the AMPS will cure this? Anyone tried both in an automotive application?