New Garmin Montana

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.

  1. Windrock

    Windrock Adventurer

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    I did load them in Base Camp first. I had to edit some of the tracks first before sending them to the Montana. I will go check the 10,000 point limit first. Thanks
  2. BergDonk

    BergDonk Long timer

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    My Montana keeps working great, but I do have a fallback for the cage:

    I have a little GPS<?xml:namespace prefix = "o" ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    I've had it most all my life<o:p></o:p>
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    My GPS is my wife<o:p></o:p>
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    It gives me full instructions<o:p></o:p>
    Especially how to drive<o:p></o:p>
    "It's sixty k's an hour", it says<o:p></o:p>
    "You're doing sixty five"<o:p></o:p>
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    It lists the vehicles just in front<o:p></o:p>
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    It specifies my gear.<o:p></o:p>
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    I'm sure no other driver<o:p></o:p>
    Has so helpful a device<o:p></o:p>
    For when we leave and lock the car<o:p></o:p>
    It still gives its advice.<o:p></o:p>
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    It fills me up with counselling<o:p></o:p>
    Each journey's pretty fraught<o:p></o:p>
    So why don't I exchange it<o:p></o:p>
    And get a quieter sort?<o:p></o:p>
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    Despite all these advantages<o:p></o:p>
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  3. Bob

    Bob Formerly H20Pumper

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    Will it/she route you to the Mall :lol3
  4. CaseyB

    CaseyB Adventually

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    If I have an active track on my screen

    How do I get the line of what I have previously ridden to show on top of the active track?

    I know this has been discussed in a previous post. My google skills are currently lacking, I can't seem to find it.
  5. atlas cached

    atlas cached OX Ambassador

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    You don't. The active track log is always displayed over all map data.
  6. johnpitts01

    johnpitts01 Long timer

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    Anyone have any ideas how to fix this?
    I am running the latest version of software on the Garmin.
    Basecamp is up to date.

    I recently exchanged my Montana due to a defect with the USB port.
    With the new unit I cannot get my lifetime CN maps and Topo 100k maps on the unit.

    I've spent more than 2 hours on the phone with Garmin support and @ 8 hours loading maps to the unit via various methids includling Garmin Express, Map Install, etc.

    When I view my sd card using explorer the maps show up.
    But on the unit the CN maps do not show up on the Map Enable screen.

    The only way I have been able to get the maps on the unit is by using Mapsource to build a route and "Select Maps". I can then choose the appropriate CN maps and / or Topo maps and send them to the unit.
    While this is a decent work around it just ain't right.
    I want the entire CN mapset resident on the unit and the entire country Topo 100k maps resident on the unit. As they were with my orginal Montana.

    If its already been posted to the thread please point me to the appropriate posts.

    Also - how do I backup and restore my profiles?

    I think I should do a hard reset on the unit and start all over again.
    But I have lots of custom profiles that I do not want to rebuild.

    Thanks in advance

    John
  7. atlas cached

    atlas cached OX Ambassador

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    What is your source for the 100k Topo maps? If You are loading the 100k Topo from BaseCamp/MapSource, you will exceed the 4000 tile limit of the device, and nothing more will be available on the Montana map selection screen.
  8. BobM

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    I gave up on BaseCamp a long time ago and I use Mapsource for all my map, route, track, and waypoint transfers.

    I build a mapset using Mapsource Map Selection Tool and note the size and number of segments in the Map tab. Stay below 4 GB and 4000 segments. Transfer to Montana (in the USB mode). Access the \Garmin folder on the GPS and rename the file from gmapsupp.img to CNNA.img or whatever describes the maps. Repeat for each mapset.

    For routes, tracks, etc use Mapsource and transfer each data type separately to the Montana and then access the \Garmin\GPX folder and rename the userdata.gpx file to Route01.gpx, or Track01. gpx etc making sure each transferred file gets a unique name/number. You need to be familiar with data restrictions, like 50 points max in a "Follow Roads" route, 'unlimited' points in a Direct or Off Road route (I don't know what the limit is - I've tested up to 5000 points and they work OK), number of Characters in a waypoint name (14 I think), etc to make sure everything works.

    The only difference I find between transferring data with Basecamp and Mapsource is that Mapsource always uses the same file name while Basecamp creates unique names, so Mapsource will overwrite the previous file transfer.

    It works for me, YMMV.

    Bob
  9. MasterMarine

    MasterMarine Long timer

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    When I have transfered Direct Routes from Base Camp to my Montana, they could only have 250 points. Any more past that would be missing in the Montana.

    Are you sure about "unlimited" points transfering from MapSource to a Montana for a Direct Route? :ear
  10. johnpitts01

    johnpitts01 Long timer

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    OK, I can live with only loading the local Topo maps needed for any particular ride.

    But I believe I should be able to load the entire CN maps to the device itself or the Sd card. Pretty sure that's what I had on the original unit.
    I certainly dont recall having to select the individual CN maps and send them to the Montana.

    In fact the first thing I did when I bought the original Montana was install CN.

    My gut tells me that I need to do a hard reset on the current unit, install the CN maps before anything else and I will be good to go.





  11. atlas cached

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    You can send the entire CN to the Montana or uSd card. I have a full CN map on my Montana uSD card. You may need to contact Garmin to get the license transferred to the new device. Last time my Montana was replaced, they transferred all licenses automatically.
  12. BobM

    BobM DualSport

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    I used to limit points to 250 in Direct Routes as that was my 60CSx limit, but when I first got my Montana 2 years ago, I couldn't get a clear answer on what was the max point so I experimented. I guess they weren't "real" routes as I justed created lots of way points and copied them into a route, tested, and then copied more. At 5000 points I lost interest, but they definitely loaded and displayed in the Montana - no errors.

    In reality, I've never exceeded 250 points in a genuine off-road route so it isn't really an issue for me. On multi-day rides I always create a route for each day and typically it'll be in the 100-150 point range. On Club rides, I actually create routes with 30 or less points in case someone is still using a very old GPS, and then have about 5 sequential routes for the full ride.

    I've never tested 'max point' route uploads in BaseCamp.

    Bob
  13. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Either I don't understand what you are suggesting or we have very different Montana's.

    My Montana can handle Along-road Routes with a MAX of 50 via points(stops/waypoints).

    My Montana can handle Direct Routes with a MAX of 250 via points (stops/waypoints).

    In either case, the route is truncated at the MAX point limit.

    Could you please post a GPX file with examples of Route's that have these "very large numbers" of points in them?
  14. BobM

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    I think you understand what I'm saying. I created several test routes when I first got the Montana and started with a 250 point route, then a 500, then a 1000, etc and they all transferred from Mapsource without any reported error. Usually you would get a "Truncated" error with the 60CSx if there were too many points.

    The large routes would appear in the Route list and would load, press "Go" and they would display. I never attempted to follow them as they were just a random collection of meaningless waypoints, but they certainly looked OK on the screen.

    This was long ago and I never saw any point in keeping the files. I've now sold my Montana in anticipation of getting a Monterra so I can't repeat the exercise.

    As I said above, I've never needed more than 250 points so it's hardly worth disputing. Until, or if, I get access to another Montana I'll withdraw my statement that the (i.e. my) Montana can handle 5000 point Direct routes

    Bob
  15. johnpitts01

    johnpitts01 Long timer

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    "You can send the entire CN to the Montana or uSd card. I have a full CN map on my Montana uSD card. You may need to contact Garmin to get the license transferred to the new device. Last time my Montana was replaced, they transferred all licenses automatically. "

    Yup, I have the entire CN on the uSd card.
    I can see it in Windows Explorer when I have the unit attached to the coomputer.
    BUT
    On the unit CN does not appear! Under setup on the Maps tab the CN is not present to enable.

    Thus my gut feel that something is scrwed up and I should do a hard reset and start all over.

    I have installed CN using Garmin Express and Map Install at least 6 times. The result is always "success".

    The last time I walked thorugh this with Garmin they had me delete all the .img files from the uSd card, they sent me a file that was the serial number of my unit with a .gma extension.

    Had me re-install the maps using Map Install.
    Result of the re-install was success.

    Any help appreciated.
  16. mpatch

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    What other maps are installed? Is CNNA a .img file? If so is it in the correct folder?
  17. johnpitts01

    johnpitts01 Long timer

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    "What other maps are installed? Is CNNA a .img file? If so is it in the correct folder?"

    Currently traveling.
    Will check when I get home.
  18. BobM

    BobM DualSport

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    I was at our bike club meeting last night and had access to a Montana 600. I made a 307 "point" direct route in Mapsource and transferred it to the Montana with the Mapsource Send To Device button. There was a File Transferred Successfully message, and the file was on the mSD card as Route.gpx. It was accessible in the Route Planner and in the Edit Mode I manually counted all 307 "points". When I used Where To and Routes, I selected the Route, pressed Go, selected Direct and it loaded with no errors. I didn't scroll the map to see if all 307 points were being used.

    What is a "point"? I used the Mapsource Routing Tool so they aren't "real" waypoints. I didn't click and "rubber-band" the route, so they probably aren't Shaping Points. Mapsource didn't produce any Waypoints so I'm guessing they may be Via Points.

    Does this confirm or disprove the "250 xxxpoints" max limit?

    Bob
  19. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Since you didn't inspect the active route your efforts don't "prove" anything other than what we already discussed - which is that you can send anything to the Montana and it will load and show in the Route Planner. But, if you actually looked at the Active Route you would see that it is truncated at the 250th point.

    The points you created with MapSource are indeed Via Points when you send them to the Montana.
  20. johnpitts01

    johnpitts01 Long timer

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    CNNA is an img file in the Garmin folder on the uSd card.

    See below
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