New Garmin Montana

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by AugustFalcon, May 18, 2011.

  1. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    This would present another problem. If the unit didn't Index the map data until the Map was Enabled the GPS would have to set aside memory resources that would only be used in the event that you Enabled a map. This means that the GPS would have to hold back resources at boot time - not very efficient use of memory. The zumo guys did something similar with the MP3 Audio Player. They finally had to revert back to Indexing the MP3 files at boot time - very fast versus trying to "find" enough space to save the Index.

    Cheers,
  2. dburb

    dburb Burb

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    When I do a search for food and drink with USD card containing Topo 24K removed it takes 2 seconds using internal City Navigator. With same internal City Navigator enabled and Topo 24K USD chip installed but disabled it takes 28 seconds. 28 seconds isn't the end of the world but when trying to find multiple searches it gets to be a drag. My other Garmin devices don't do this. Garmin says there is a lot of info on the maps and the time isn't excessive. they also said they haven't received any complaints regarding this.

    Thanks for all the help Don
  3. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    It would appear on the surface that Topo Map data is not as efficient when indexed as the CNNA data is. Don't really care why but it is good to know. I leave Topo Maps on my unit, Disabled, only for the purpose of searching for FS Campgrounds. Not being able to no-show the contour lines make the maps useless for riding purposes.

    Cheers,
  4. R-dubb

    R-dubb Dubbious Adventurer

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    This has me rethinking my map strategy. As you mention, without the ability to declutter topo lines on screen, the maps are pretty much useless. I do turn on topo every now and again to get a terrain overview. Mostly when lost :lol3

    With an 8g memory card, I basically leave it all on the unit at all times. I may revert to a 276 style approach, which is to load just what I need prior to each major outing. Its always something.:deal
  5. guns&coffee

    guns&coffee Gnarly!

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    I started on a mount this week for my Montana using the Garmin rugged mount. It's still a work in progress. I'm wanting to make a plate that attaches to the back of the mount and goes over the top of the Montana that allows me to lock it to the mount. That would allow me to get away from the cable set-up. It's crude, but effective. I'm thinking I could have a piece that is hinged and locks with a drawer type lock.

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    On the underside of the KTM plastic dash, I put some SS plate. I figured that should keep the nuts from pulling through the bottom side of the dash. The bracket is just a piece of alum. angle.
  6. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    I use a 16GB µSD card. I have the three western regions of US Topo 24K (routable) on it along with CNNA. You have to load each region as it's own IMG since they are each just under 4GB. When I'm out riding (not now - snow and 10F), I also have BirdsEye Imagery on it for the ride.

    The Terrain view is the other reason I use topo's at all.

    I have a FS Campground POI file for the US that shows the CG location but I have not taken the time to edit/add all 7684 campground Names. The Forest Service was not exactly helpful in this effort. :cry

    Cheers,
  7. R-dubb

    R-dubb Dubbious Adventurer

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    Just out of curiousity, does anyone use both 100k and 24k maps? What I'm wondering is how the road and POI data compares between the two? Not that I want to give Garmin anymore hard earned cash, but if I could have the road and campground data, without the extra topo lines cluttering the screen, I might be willing to make the trade off.
  8. mcnut

    mcnut Long timer

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    Somewhat OT but I have a 60 with R&R, Topo 100k and CitySelect + more, even with only 1 mapset showing searches often result in the same POI listed 3 times which quickly populates (fills) the list. Wish the POI db for each mapset was hidden if the map is.

    Bruce
  9. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    That is a condition of your GPSMAP 60 series. Newer units don't duplicate.

    Cheers,
  10. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    It's a bit late in the day but if anyone's looking for a Montana 650, GPSCentral.ca in Calgary has it for $469 Canadian until January 20. Hopefully that's inclusive.
  11. bjorn_dakar

    bjorn_dakar Been here awhile

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    Save and rename to: adv_landscape_day.jpg

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    save and rename to: adv_portrait_night.jpg

    place the pictures in garmin/profile
  12. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Are you going to put them in the Montana Dropbox? :clap

    Cheers,
  13. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    I thought initially these would look a little too busy on the screen but they look great. Thanks!
  14. bjorn_dakar

    bjorn_dakar Been here awhile

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    of course :1drink it's done
  15. dvwalker

    dvwalker Working to ride

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    Not sure how many here have tried to get custom waypoint and poi symbols working with BC and the Montana but it's a bit of a black art. I know I spent at least a couple hours decoding how this works, so thought I'd share my efforts. I'm sure others with more knowledge will chime in with more detail, but if I can save someone else a couple hours of trouble I think this topic is worthy of a post.

    Tools:
    - BaseCamp 3.3 (BC for Windows)
    - Montana 650 fw:v3.68
    - Paint.Net (used for creating/updating bitmap files)


    Step 1: Enabling custom symbols in BaseCamp:





    After importing a large number of motorcycle NA/Canada repair shops (ie., Honda, KTM, Yamaha, etc) into BC, I wanted to assign the appropriate factory symbol to each dealer waypoint. As I travel I like to know where the closest repair or parts dealer is located either via POI or Waypoint. These are the steps I followed to enable custom waypoint symbols. Custom POI symbols can be discussed in a separate post since this is a different process all together...
    1. create or obtain desired custom bitmap files (.bmp format) for each dealer. I used bmp file format because this is what worked when getting custom symbols to work on the Montana (described below).
    2. Pixel size for each bitmap file I used was equal to or less than 22x22 with a bitsize of 24. BC may support up to 32x32 ps, but I did not confirm.
    3. copy custom bitmap files into the \Documents\My Garmin\Custom Waypoint Symbols directory
    4. bitmap filenames must be numbered (i.e, 000, 001, etc) in sequence using NNN mask. Otherwise BC will not load the symbols. Note BC loads these symbols on startup, so if you add another custom bmp later, you'll need to restart BC.
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    5. Custom images will now be available for selection in BC WayPoint symbols dialog grouped at the bottom in the Custom section. [​IMG]
    6. BC will allow you to select multiple waypoints and assign your custom symbol at the same time. Very nice feature...
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    Step 2: Enabling custom symbols on the Montana:




    Now that custom symbols have been assigned to my various waypoint lists in BC, I want my Montana to show these custom symbols after any transfer from BC. There's a few tricks to make this work...
    1. Copy custom bitmap files from the BC \Documents\My Garmin\Custom Waypoint Symbols directory to the Montana \Garmin\CustomSymbols directory. I used the main memory drive, but the SD would probably work just as well.
    2. bitmap filenames must be named Custom 1.bmp, Custom 2.bmp, etc in sequence using "Custom nN.bmp" mask. Otherwise when BC transfers over the waypoints the custom symbols will NOT be loaded :huh.
    3. Also found that the bitsize needs to be 24 bit, otherwise the symbols will NOT be loaded by the Montana :huh. Note, jumping ahead to custom POI bitmaps, they need to be 8 bit to show correctly on the map, go figure...:eek1.
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    4. On inspection of the waypoint GPX file produced by BC on the Montana after transfer (send to->), you'll notice the reason for the difference in the file naming convention between the two products. I believe this is a software development artifact due to two separate teams working on different products. At some point I would expect the Garmin teams to get their act together and fix this compatibility issue between BC and newer units.
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    5. To test that custom symbols are working on the Montana, I sent a single waypoint from BC to the Montana. Instead of the default flag, the custom symbol was displayed after transfer
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    6. On further inspection, the other custom symbols are also available for selection on the Montana
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    Hope this helps someone...

    dale
  16. dvwalker

    dvwalker Working to ride

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    Assigning custom POI symbols is a completely different process than assigning custom Waypoint symbols. Of coarse, there's a couple tricks to enable this to function correctly on the Montana.

    Tools:
    - POI Loader v2.7 (Windows)
    - Montana 650 fw:v3.68
    - Paint.Net (used for creating/updating bitmap files)
    1. Download POI files (csv or gpx format) from your favorite POI website. I found it easier to group simular POI files together in the same directory on your PC because of how the POI loader program works.
    2. To assign a custom symbol to each POI file, download or create a bitmap file with the same name as the POI file. I found the bitsize must be 8 bits and less than 32x32 pixel size otherwise image does not display correctly on the map.
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    3. Run POI Loader.exe program to send POI's to your Montana. Available from Garmin website.
    4. POI Loader will generate a Garmin formatted POI file in the \Garmin\poi folder. Due to a bug in POI Loader v2.7, you must rename the extension from ".poi" to ".gpi". Otherwise the POI's will not be loaded by the Montana. The bitmap image file(s) for your custom symbols will be included in the POI file. Note the waypoint image files located in your \Garmin\CustomSymbols are not used for POI's.
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    5. Where To? application on the Montana should now have an Extras option along with your POI lists

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    6. The custom POI symbol should also be available on the map
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  17. Bill Murray

    Bill Murray Been here awhile

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    Great posts, Dale.:clap Thanks!
  18. cablebandit

    cablebandit Web Adventurer

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    Care to share this profile? One other specific question. Your guidance text says "left on...." was this in an auto mount at the time? My guidance text has never mentioned a direction like left or right. It only says "to XXX blvd" etc.
  19. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Dale, Nice writeup on Custom POI's. :deal

    Cheers,
  20. Twistn'roads

    Twistn'roads Been here awhile

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    I would be happy to send you this profile. PM me your email address and I'll send you the file.

    My Montana was not mounted at the time I took this screen capture. It was in simulation/demo mode. I do have a rugged mount on my bike but the weather here isn't conducive to real time moto testing. :cry


    ~TR~