New Garmin Monterra (not a typo!)

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by lmychajluk, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. kave

    kave Gravel rules

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    Right now I cant get the error.
    Press the apps button, then you will see a "page" called Garmin with apps like "where to", weather, sattelite etc. To me this is page one, since it is to the left.
    A swipe to the left gets me to general google apps and the few ones I have installed, page 2.

    I guess what is happening is that when the device is busy, it just wont show all apps, or in the wrong order or whatever.

    Regarding routing, you said earlier that routes created in Basecamp wont calculate. Well, I cant even get routes created on the Monterra to calculate. It actually makes a try, then after 1% doen it just brings back the map.
  2. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Yes, Routing in general is in bad shape. If you are creating a route from you current location to some destination, the route will calculate most of the time. But, if you are trying to create a Route that does not originate from your current location it will not calculate a route most of the time if it's over 50mi (80km) in length; at least that's what I've seen so far.

    The problem with diagnosing Routing bugs is that it can be related to algorithm or Map Data (CNNA vs CNEU, etc.) or bad code in general. This is not related to algorithm since Garmin has been using the same one for years now. I don't think it is map data as other devices don't have the problem. That leaves bad coding. If Garmin is wondering why they are losing market share Executive Mgmt need look no further. I suppose when the Monterra's currently in custom hands start getting returned maybe Mr. Pemble will take notice.
  3. advNZer?

    advNZer? Long timer

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    wow as far as a motorcycle gps this thing seems bad
    How can they market it as an atv/motorcycle gps with even more shortcomings for that pupose than the montana had.
    Most of the montana shortcomings for planning seem to be related to the fact that it wasnt really envisaged that people would plan such long routes
  4. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    The Montana also had it's share of issues when it was released but nothing like the Monterra. I suppose Garmin could make a case that these units are On The Trail brand units and Routing isn't what they were intended to do like say the zumo brand.

    I personally don't buy into that position since this is Garmin we are talking about and they arguably invented Along-road Routing as we know it today. They obviously have the know how and somewhere have the skill to develop very good Routing software.

    Unfortunately, the Monterra seems not to have been given the proper resources to make it a viable product for any market segment -- at least as it sits today.
  5. advNZer?

    advNZer? Long timer

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    exactly my point.And with the recent experience of the montana i wouldve thought it would be at least as good as the montana is now as far as the gps side of the equation went.This IS a specilaty gps company!
  6. kave

    kave Gravel rules

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    Is anyone buying a Monterra for just geocaching?
    I guess its bought to be used for many scenarios, just like the old gpsmap series.
    Btw, is anyone getting proper turn by turn elarged instructions while using City Navigator? I dont get the intersection previews i usually get from City Navigator, even my small Edge gives me a elarged preview of what is coming.
  7. DRTBYK

    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    If they were, they wouldn't find much since the Compass doesn't work. :scratch

    As you approach a Turn the map will Auto-zoom (if enabled). And if you press the Turn indication on the Dashboard. . .

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    Once you have passed the Turn the Map Auto-zooms back to your previous zoom setting.

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    Oh, and if you're really paying attention, you'll notice another bug. The map Scale does not refresh to the proper indication when you are Auto-zooming.
  8. SOP Dirt-Rider

    SOP Dirt-Rider Been here awhile

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    Going to mount the unit on my 450 for some trail riding at Tahuya on Thursday. See how she does compared to the Etrex 30.
  9. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    I remember reading the big Montana thread when that unit first came out and thinking "crap, this thing has too many problems for me" but then time passed and patches were released, and I eventually bought one and enjoy it.

    So far, though, it sounds like the Monterra was release in a lot worse condition than the Montana was. Is my perception accurate?
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    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Unfortunately, yes, your perception is accurate.
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    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Depending upon what features you want to use, it may do just fine or you may want to keep your eTrex handy.

    Or, use a third-party Navigation App like Backcountry Navigator or OSMAnd+. Both navigate Tracks very well.
  12. ER70S-2

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    Crap. My 276C is looking better every day. :cry
  13. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Aside from being far larger, the Monterra's not a lot better than the eTrex line at displaying maps, imho.

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    I found this cute little eTrex 20 at a pawn shop the other day. It was at a price I could not afford to ignore.
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    Here's a couple of comparison pictures.

    The Monterra loses most map detail above the 800 meter zoom level, but the eTrex keeps this map detail right out to 5km.

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    That's been my biggest irritation with the 3 GPSs I've had. If I zoom in close enough to see detail, I lose my orientation within a few direction changes. I thought I'd read that the Montana fixed that and was hoping the Monterra did too.

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    The Montana does have better detail than the Monterra, but it depends on the map. CNNA loses detail over 1.2k, but the old maps like Canada Enhanced Basemap and I think Roads and Recreation show back roads to the 5km zoom level.

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    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Map detail on the GPS (or the computer) is a function of the map rendering software not the Map data typically. Yes, certain map data is coded in the map to show between certain zoom levels (like POI's and sometimes road types) but most road detail is available to the rendering software at any zoom level. Garmin determines how much detail they want to show based upon their view of how you should use the device and the amount of coding investment they want to make upfront of sales. When Garmin releases a new device these days (the last 6-7yrs), they typically start out with map detail showing or not showing at the current levels of the Monterra (0.5mi/0.8km) -- the Montana started the same way. Only customer complaints managed to get this enhanced a little on the Montana. There is no technical reason why we can't see secondary and tertiary-road detail out to 3mi/5km on a device with this screen resolution and CPU/GPU hardware except that Garmin does not want to invest in the coding to do so.
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    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    By the way, you do have some small advantage with the Monterra rendering software due to the Android OS control of the GPU. Here are four screenshots that correspond to the four FONT sizes available in the Display settings. Notice how the Font size effects the map area that is shown on the screen.


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    And the Montana for comparison:

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  19. kave

    kave Gravel rules

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    Great , I like to see the roads better.
    One thing thats great about the Monterra is the overlay part. I am currently overlaying the global recreation map on City Navigator and that gives a great view of mountains etc.
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    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Not sure I'm familiar with the "global recreation map". Can you give some additional details: Part No.?