New Garmin Monterra (not a typo!)

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by lmychajluk, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. 2thdrinOR

    2thdrinOR Been here awhile

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    OK does anyone know if these Hunt View maps can be used on the Monterra? Monterra isn't listed in compatible devices...wonder why? Description says turn by turn directions on thousands of back roads and trails. Seems perfect for off pavement exploration...

    https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/532329
  2. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    since you have the cool monterra, you can even install other applications to do mapping work for you, like Avenza pdf, oruxmaps, osmand, locus, or whatever type of mapping you might need, assuming the software is up to date enough to run modern apps.

    some online sources for map download are
    openstreetmaps
    gpsfiledepot
    usgs maps
    and tons more, can be downloaded for your device.

    i downloaded this in about s minute from osm. it shows the level of detail that open Street maps has, of Oregon...
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  3. VABDet

    VABDet Is it dirty? I'm in...

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    Looks to me like the put the 24k Topo map together with some Birdseye satellite imagery and call it Hunt View? I got the 24k Topo for the Southeast and it's way outdated and by far not as much up-to-date as Open Street Maps as @ohgood has mentioned, and those are free. Go here and try it: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/

    If you really wanted the 24k Topo maps I would get this, it's 4 states for $99 and no satellite: https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/27610#coverage

    The only advantage I remember with the Garmin 24k Topo and Birdseye is that you get satellite imagery shaded 3d views - can't remember the fancy name they gave that but below is a sample half & half:
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  4. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    hmm, it seems like i had 'arc gis' maps that looked like that once, but i quit using it because the topo lines obscured the satellite imagery. i think, or something like that.

    it seemed like a cool way to demo everything (bells and whistles) that was possible, and a big gee wiz factor, but using it was annoying having to zoom out and in to get the topo lines out of the imagerys way.

    anyway, it is cool too look at !
  5. VABDet

    VABDet Is it dirty? I'm in...

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    My first preference is OpenStreets maps and a Birdseye subscription for those places I go completely off the beaten path.

    @2thdrinOR I'm pretty sure those hunt maps work on your Monterra.
  6. 2thdrinOR

    2thdrinOR Been here awhile

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    I used to be thought of as a "computer guru" back in the 80's and 90's, but these devices make me feel dumb. In the past I have successfully downloaded OSM maps (routable) for Oregon and Washington. I have them on Basecamp and on my Monterra. I got a shared copy of City Navigator NT installed on the Monterra (thank you, you know who you are), but never figured out how to install it in Basecamp (probably can't?). My struggle has been having routes behave erratically on both Basecamp and the Monterra, going back and forth. I think it stems from making the route on one map and then not having the same map in both devices. Am I expecting too much to have turn by turn navigation when on unpaved forest roads? The HuntView maps description specifically says "thousands of routable roads and trails with turn by turn navigation", but the 24k TOPO West US doesn't say that. Looking at the OSM maps again the last couple of days, I am confused as to how to even download and install them again. Was considering doing a hard reset to blow everything away and purchase City Nav NT and TOPO West or HuntView, but geez, $200 for that!

    EDIT: I did find out one tidbit of information that may help others. Apparently when you reformat a 64Gb microSD card to FAT32, there can be problems with stability in Garmin devices. I purchased a new 32Gb card (native FAT32 format) yesterday and am now using that to store my maps and music. Hopefully I will quit getting the problem with Basecamp failing to recognize the card. It could have also been a contributing source to my other problems...
  7. VABDet

    VABDet Is it dirty? I'm in...

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    The description of the 24k Topo https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/27610#overview reads this:
    • Contains many routable trails, rural roads, city neighborhood roads, major highways and interstates.
    As far as Basecamp, you have to have it installed on your computer and your GPS needs to show up when you connect it in the menu on the left side below "Garmin Adventure". The OpenStreets Maps http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ you download the wanted area as installable exe (or zip) which then installs as map in Basecamp. Those OpenStreets maps do not directly install or copy to your GPS. So once you downloaded it and installed it on your PC or MAC it should show up as selectable map in Basecamp (menu: [Maps]). From there you can install those on your Monterra with the help of Basecamp. There is a menu item under [Maps]: "Install Maps on Monterra". I can make some screenshots of my Montana if you get hung up somewhere.
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  8. Smackit

    Smackit Life Is Good

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    Try the fat32format.exe utility from http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/download/fat32format.zip , I've been using 64Gb cards for years in my Monterra with no issues at all.
  9. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    you have a Monterra, why not format the card with Android? there are even file system tools that will verify if it's really 32gb, or just a rebranded 8gb, which always causes problems.

    anyway, installing maps is really just moving the files. basecamp and Garmin navigation software (on devices) will have problems with miss matched maps, keep everything the same and no issues besides the regular base camp annoyances.

    given how much easier and simpler it is to just follow tracks instead of fussing with the GPS idea aboutr how things should work, that's what i use off-road.
  10. VABDet

    VABDet Is it dirty? I'm in...

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    I believe the confusion is created with the gazillion options you get to configure your devices, routing, maps. It already starts with tracks or routes. Depending on the place I plan my trip I even use both. A track with a bunch of coordinates connected by straight lines, which doesn't change later in the GPS device and a route with only a few places that uses its own smart to get me to the destination by the use of the routable map.

    If you create a "track" in Basecamp then it doesn't matter what map you use in your Garmin, even with no map the track will not move. If you create a "route" then the Garmin tries to calculate the roads to use to get you from point "A" to "point "B" with a map that is installed in the Garmin. So even if your map on the device is missing a road because it is an older map, what the heck, it will calculate for you to get to point "B" a slightly different way not using this road. If it's really important to you to stay on such road then create a track and a route. That way you can see immediately when you get of the path you wanted to ride and if road conditions or closures force you to get off and take a bypass then you can use the routing engine to get back on track.

    What complicates it is that you can install many routable maps on your Gamin devices. How the heck do you know which one it will take to calculate? I usually only enable ONE routable map to show in order to make sure that this is what I am navigating on. The next thing is your profiles that all store different routing options like your route preference of scenic, or fast, or shortest. On top you can configure avoidances like toll roads, interstates, or gravel roads? So whatever Basecamp calculated for you as nice route, your Garmin might think totally different because of the routing options you've set in a certain profile. IMHO aligning all your routing options between Basecamp and your Garmin is the biggest issues for routes to come out different than what you had planned. Plus I find it very unpleasant to sit on the side of the road and try to fix messed up routing - it just works better at home on my big computer screen using a mouse than on a tiny screen with big fingers.

    Maybe try it for your next trip to use both. Just click on the Basecamp route you just created with the right mouse button and say "Create Track from selected Route", then load both route and track onto your GPS.
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  11. 2thdrinOR

    2thdrinOR Been here awhile

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    VABDet I agree completely with your points about how the complexity of the settings can act to make the routing problems. The "magic" algorithms that these GPS devices use is a double edged sword. Great for ultimately keeping me from getting lost, but maddening when trying to stay on a specific planned route. I will try your suggestions. Thanks! To others that chimed in thank you. I only mentioned the 64Gb formatting info because I personally experienced instability with my Monterra with the 64GB card, and Garmin mentions this fact in their support FAQS. YMMV.

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  12. VABDet

    VABDet Is it dirty? I'm in...

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    trust me it gets me too - often enough, especially if I had set my GPS for back road riding and interstate avoidance and the next time I just want to go quick to some address riding just fast interstates. Man, that stupid thing gets so annoying trying to make me exit the interstate at all possible exits and it's challenging trying to switch profiles while you are riding on an interstate :D
  13. mosey.levy

    mosey.levy Long timer

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    so just to clarify, there is no way to get this up to say, android 4.4?
    half the apps I want to use dont work with 4.0.4

    this device looks amazing, if it were modern. 4 years old at this point :(
  14. kave

    kave Gravel rules

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    Well, since the last update to this device came almost 2 years ago I think we can say its no longer maintained.
    The device was total crap when it was first shipped, a year later it was barely usable in some languages and maps. Others not usable at all.
    I gave my device lots of attention but I finally sold it for almost nothing. It could not even follow a track without problems for more than a couple of hours.
    Couple it with battery life 1/5 of what Garmin promised, total crap ANT+ support and you have one of the worst GPS devices ever.
    The Palm based iQue was much better but even worse maintained.
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    Smackit Life Is Good

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    I'm running Mac OSX Sierra 10.12.5 with Basecamp Version 4.6.3 and I'm unable to get Basecamp to recognize my device. Are any of you able to get Basecamp working on Sierra?
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    It barely works on my windows machine either. Sometimes restarting basecamp works, sometimes disconnecting or rebooting the GPS works, sometimes you just have to leave it alone and wait for 20 minutes. It's bloody frustrating.
  17. Oddball

    Oddball Starting over

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    This is my same Windows experience.
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    Smackit Life Is Good

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    Half hour of my life gone to Garmin tech support and.... No Dice. The Monterra does not, and will not work with Mac OSX Sierra 10.12.5. Garmin basically said you're $&^ out of luck, sorry. The Monterra was a failed experiment with Android and they've given up on any further updates or support. If you could swap the Monterra for a Montana 650t for no cost, would you? Pros /Cons
  19. Ken in Regina

    Ken in Regina Been here awhile

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    In a heartbeat. I have never had a Monterra but I have read your problems and those of many others, in this and many other forums. Such a variety of problems!

    I have had a refurbished Montana 600 for nearly 3 years now. It just works. It's still fully supported. My most recent firmware update was last night in preparation for a road trip this weekend. I've never felt any urge to run Android apps on it. I have my phone for that.

    ...ken...
  20. VABDet

    VABDet Is it dirty? I'm in...

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    I did trade my Monterra for a Montana 680 last year due to touchscreen issues. I use Windows, so a Mac did not force me to switch, though Windows was slow listing GPS data if you had a big loaded SD card in the Monterra (gigabytes of Birdseye files). I had 2 defective Monterras and the last I got back out of warranty repair went straight into the flea market in order to buy a Montana. Doesn't have all the smart phone like features as the Monterra but it runs more stable than my Monterras ever did. Actually it hasn't crashed once!

    No regrets! Have to do the smartphone stuff on my phone again but the GPS is rock solid now.