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Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by lmychajluk, Jun 24, 2013.
Definitely yes. No question about it.
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So compared to the Monterra, I'm losing the following features on the Montana 650t
Bluetooth® wireless technology:
GNSS support: (GPS + GLONASS)
Near Field Communication (NFC):
Microphone: (internal for audio capture)
Multimedia (audio/video) support: (MP3 player, video player, etc.)
Android with Google Play for complete customization
Is there any other company or smartphone software that offers routable 24k topo maps like Garmin? The 24k topo is the only thing I like about Garmin over a smartphone. By routable, I mean turn by turn instructions.
One thing the Montana is better at is displaying map detail than the Monterra. Not sure how this translates into miles, but I can get secondary roads at the 1.2 km (.8 Mile?) zoom, whereas the Monterra only gives secondaries out to .8 Km or .5 mile, I think. And the Montana works with virtually any gloves. And the Montana is much faster to boot up and shut down.
I have a Monterra in my bottom drawer which never sees the light of day, while my Montana is a daily user in bike season.
I think the Montera renders the map more quickly, initially and when panned. Maybe is has better internals?
Does the Montana do the 3-D effect when zoomed out a certain distance like the Monterra?
well, I guess you could use whatever map by USGS, gamin, Google, osm, map box, yandix, custom made tiles from gpsfiledepot, or whoever makes them for displaying your surroundings while street riding. it would be weird to have that much on the screen for following a route (or track) , but totally doable. the auto- routing data for smartphones is not dependant on the map being displayed. you can even plot tbt navigation without any map displayed or installed. again it would be weird, but possible.
I think the main issue would be finding an official 24k Garmin branded map that wasn't locked to a sdcard or device, since that is subscription/paid map set? like trying to get Delorme to allow you to use their pay for map on a Tom Tom ? I know some old 2008ish maps were not locked, and I've used them, but they were behind the tunes compared to daily updated osm .
ya, I don't think I want to go backwards from a phone and lose my card less NFC payments (android pay, Samsung pay), NFC tagging, bar code scanning, awesome camera, music, Bluetooth (car audio/wireless transfers/heart rate pairing/etc), ant+ sensors, Wi-Fi, working compass, either. there is other stuff we could fill a page with.... and paying 5x-10x the cost for the pleasure isn't on my agenda.
to answer your question, yes, there are a few. I use them frequently but don't need the Garmin maps to do on or off road stuff.
I know these things are buggy but I am looking for a Monterra, if anybody has an un-used one they want to let go for cheap, like $35 (or $50 with a cradle), please PM me.
Get real. As if anyone who's spent $600 to $800 on a Monterra is going to give it to you for $35, no matter how much they dislike it. I got mine for nothing but I still wouldn't give it away.
Alright, don't be offended, I'm not going to come in the night and take yours and leave $35 in its place.
How did you get one for free? That sounds even better than $35.
LOL, I'm pretty sure he meant to say "un-usable" as in not working
Got linked here from my thread here ( http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/i-thought-i-had-my-choice-montana-but-no-bt.1266826/ ), I really liked the Montana but want the capability to download/upload GPX files on the fly from my phone so that the 'device' could always stay connected on the motorcycle. But wow, this seems like an alpha product which never got updated? .. Starting to think I need a 2nd heavy duty phone, figure some powercharging solution and leave it on the motorcycle.
extra batteries are about $9 each on amazon. or just ride all day long and charge it at camp.
If you can pick up a second hand Monterra for cheap money, go for it. Otherwise, it's not worth it. The only thing I like about the Monterra vs a smart phone solution is the rout-able turn by turn maps for 24K Topo. If I could get a smartphone app with the Garmin 24K Topo, I'd throw the Monterra in the trash.
That's all well and good, but I think you are overlooking the shock and water resistance that smartphones just don't have. Not saying the Monterra is great, but it is durable.
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And it has a great charging/lockable cradle. And the cradle's very reasonably priced.
Not overlooking that at all, there are plenty of rugged smartphones available today that are just as tough as the Monterra. The LG X Venture and AGM X2 are far better devices than the Monterra.
If you only compare the possibilities of an android based navigation solution, the Monterra will loose against a modern smartphone. If you want Garmin navigation and the possibilities of Android - then there is no other solution.
I like the Monterra for motorcycle navigation more then the Zumo 390 that I had before. No more hassle with shaping points and route entry.
that would be true if we were talking about the selection of say, 2007.
from 2010 the phones have gotten tougher and tougher. shock, dust, water resistance IP ratings have made it easy to see which is up to the task, and of course there are YouTube videos showing them hammering nails into 1x4's, and found further that prove them all the way to destruction. the monterra looks tough, but I don't think it will survive any of this:
the monterra was a great idea, and could have been the beginning of dominance in the navigation application market, but Garmin got lazy and wanted to keep milking the over priced hardware cow.... abandoning the monterra, unfortunately. now they'll have to stick with milking the "if you want modern features, you'll have to wait for the next hard ware release" thing.
I do still like my Monterra, even after having done 100.000+ km on the motorcycle with it. It is the best dedicated GPS unit I've used so far and I still prefer it over my smartphone, at least on the bike.
The Monterra was a great concept. But what lets it down is rather mediocre processing power and the fact that it still uses a now ancient version of Android.
But I do prefer Garmin Outdoor Applications over any navigation app I've used on my phone. The mount is really good. The Monterra keeps on working all day with the screen on all day, even in extremely hot climates and in direct sunlight. I've seen many smartphones that will overheat and automatically turn off in those circumstances.
Also, virtually all of the smartphone navigation apps that I like use too much power and create too much heat. So much that my phone will not charge when I am using them. It can barely keep the battery at the same charge level.
I would love to replace my Monterra with a much more performant smartphone, as that would be yet one less device to carry. But so far I have not found a phone+app+cradle combo that works well enough for my needs.
Here's my setup for my Montana. I'm not recommending either the Montana or this particular mount. This is just to illustrate a nice simple way to do it. You can get these powered mounts for smartphones, too.
I have one of these on my BMW F650GS and on my Kawasaki Versys-X 300. Easy to add, easy to use. I got them from GPS City but these RAM mounts are available from many suppliers.