New Honda 1200 V4 CrossTourer!!!

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Two Plugs, Nov 2, 2010.

  1. bluesman

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    GrahamD, this is why I mentioned beloved Morini Granpasso.

    VERY tough frame and subframe, very powerfull motor (try any Morini 1200 - you will fall in love), monoblock engine design (brilliand and super rigid sump), surprisingly reliable (at least those 4 I am monitoring by talking to owners regularly) but not expensive. I mean - not at all for this class. They were going at 13 000 Euros here, that's less than GS or Multi or even S10 and Varadero was at 12400 Euro at same time.:cry
    Chain, that's true. Well, nothing is ideal :)

    Still collecting money to buy one second hand.

    To be fair - quite a few of my friends own 2010 GSes (10 + people) and noone had any problem yet except blown shocks because they take those bikes to real sh...thole places. I still don't like GS thou :)

    But I fully support opinion that bike is enough to do adventure, any bike. And this one will be inevitably used by some people for RTW I guess.
    Still, turning on sparkly GS or GW in middle of Kurds village is a bit of...too much in the face of people, who earn 1 GS bolt worth of money in a month. Ooops, I am sidetracking again. Sorry.
  2. RFVC600R

    RFVC600R GOT SAND? NO!

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    I WANT ONE :cry I feel like a kid crying to mom in the grocery store.....
  3. GrahamD

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    Bluesman, I hear what you are saying and I really don't care about ranking bikes in win loose scenarios.

    There is a lot of choice FINALLY and there are a few engineering trade offs going on and they will suit different people for different reasons. Some will only suit a few, some will suit more people. Multi cylinder motors TEND to be inherently heavier, but CAN produce a smoother torque response at low revs and more power up top. It's all trade offs,

    Imagine a single pot 1200cc bike. Probably really light for its size but would every nut and bolt come loose in the first 100 Km of riding?

    What about a 2000cc Single ADV Bike?

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  4. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    Print review today from MCN UK; very positive, especialy regarding the big V4's character in this chassis. They say it's a better fit in the XTour than the VFR1200.
  5. Paulvt1

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    As an ex VFR12 owner and a current Yamaha S10 owner. i'll be very interested to ride one. I still do wish Honda had aimed the bike at lightweight, aggressive machinery, such as the KTM SM-T, but as is, they'll still sell the XTour on build quality alone.
  6. Two Plugs

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    For the question how it is on gravel compared with a stock Varadero I would say equal as good / bad... ;)
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    Guys, something came up on my twisted mind after re-reading my own report. The facts are simple...: The Crosstourer CAN NOT be compared with f.e. GSA & family because... It isn't a GSA, Varadero, Stelvio, Gran Passo or whatever.
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    It's a Crossover. A funky tourer, a dust devil in Armani suit on expensive shoes. Not more, not less. I can't see it going offroad the way a GSA could do.
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    But is that a problem? Nope. But for the guys who have the nerves to do so with this bike, I am most certain that it won't break down on places where a GSA would (every one knows the fact that during the Long Way Around tour BMW replaced the full frame of the R1150GS used by our two stars).
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    Although Honda says it’s a Varadero replacement, I say it isn't. During the press release it was not compared with the Varadero; but with the VFR1200F; being the more 'sophisticated' younger brother of the VFR.
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    Resume: If you are looking for a nice 'sophisticated' bike to take you on long tours in all comfort you desire without getting a Senior Biker Impact you receive riding a Goldwing or - any - BMW touring bike, the Crosstourer is yours.

    I still think the CT is an good offer. But I would hold my horses till I've had an opportunity to test ride the new Triumph Tiger Adventure. Tommorow I will see it in the flesh at the Utrecht International Motorcycle exhibition. But till that moment, the CT is in my opinion the best buy - looking only at the way 99% of the buyers are using their big trail adventure bikes: ONroad.
  7. Two Plugs

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    OK, I'm 6,8ft / 2,04 meters tall. Typically Dutch I would say ;) This is how the CT compares in a 'bike to ridersize' compare match with my Varadero:

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  8. Two Plugs

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    Look at the angle in which my upper leg is positioned and you will see that it looks if the Dero is higher. That is the case, but keep in mind that my Dero is raised on Technoflex suspension (up to one inch / 3 cm). The seating high of the Dero is (I believe) off-work only 1 cm higher as the 850cm of the Crosstourer...:

    But it is obviously that the Varadero Fuel storage is up to 25 liter (weight: 283 kg). So... what's heavy, what's small... It puts it all in another perspective... ;)
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  10. GrahamD

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    Good to see that brought up by a journo....

    Some of those comments might require some re education from BMW I think.
  11. atermon

    atermon Been here awhile

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    looks small. can't see how it can be made to fit you on par with the Varadero even with raised suspension. especially the fering and wind screen don't seem to offer much to a guy your size.
    would love to see your pic on the Triumph Explorer when you get to test ride it.
  12. Squily

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    I'm sure the CT's will end up in weird places though. My Varadero's manual clearly state it's not an off-roader (and my wife reminds it of that often)...

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    but it's proven itself reliable so far, if you ride it sensibly. As I'm sure the CT would be? :evil
  13. Moronic

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    Enjoyed that review, thanks. Slightly different perspective from the usual magazine road-tester: more adventure tourer perspective.

    This bike is coming off as surprisingly attractive. It shouldn't work, but looks like it will. Even off-tarmac.

    The range issue comes up again. But again, there are comments about the pace the test riders were running:

    "we headed into the hills, flicked the auto from D to S (sports) mode and the pace leapt well to the north of spirited. For the next 30 minutes it was diving in and powering out of 180's and tight 90's while doffing my cap to the massive torque."

    and:

    "I reckon it would be fair to say that not many would buy the Crosstourer and ride it at the sort of pace and aggressiveness that ours were put through on the launch test. I know I certainly wouldn't."

    Back in the day I attended the odd bike press-launch and inevitably the ride would degenerate to a race within seconds of the route departing well policed highways. The comment above suggests not much has changed. The reviewer is observing that he was riding on the launch harder than he would ride the bike if he owned one. That is saying quite a bit, when you think about it.

    The 35mp(UK)g quoted doesn't sound bad at all to me, riding a heavy rig at big throttle openings from one slow-speed corner to the next.

    So again, I'm looking forward to hearing from early owners about the fuel efficiency when just touring along.

    Positive comments from this reviewer about the DCT: said he'd go for that version.
  14. Moronic

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    Can't remember seeing this posted before: suspension travel is quoted at this site as 153mm front and 150mm rear.

    If that is right, I am starting to understand the conflicting comments from reviewers about the ride quality.

    Honda says "long travel" suspension but those figures exceed typical road bike figures by only 25mm (one inch) or less.

    So the potential is there for a slightly softer ride than you could get from a conventional sport-tourer, but that's it.

    And if they have sprung it a bit firmer for handling big loads on rough roads, then that's gone.

    Anybody expecting BMW GS (190mm F/200mm R) or Yamaha Super Tenere (190mm/190mm) plushness would be disappointed.

    Even the Duc Multistrada offers 170mm/170mm. Closest to the Honda is the Guzzi Stelvio, with 170mm/155mm.
  15. Two Plugs

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    I will be testing the CT for a longer time period later next month. This weekend, the press is riding the new Triumph Tiger. Kevin Ash already published his report which I for sure can underline!
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    probably one of the most positive reviews I've read in a long time and he is planning a more comprehensive test soon
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    By all accounts there will be a SE version here in the UK. For £1000 more you get a center stand, crash bars and full luggage, which if purchased separately, will cost £2200.
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    If only more manufacturers offered deals like that.
  20. Two Plugs

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    Honda did this previously with the 'travel' trim on the XL1000V Varadero 'Travel' and the XL700V Transalp.