New honda monkeybike coming soon! Honda Grom

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by Dezzie, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. Bama67

    Bama67 Been here awhile

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    I dig the BCM Gunfighter sitcker. I had mine on my last truck after I built my first AR using a BCM mid-length upper. Top shelf stuff. :D
  2. deezildennis

    deezildennis Its a what?

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    Ono of the local Honda dealerships has a neat little grom on the floor.. too bad they want $3700 for it.
  3. ben2go

    ben2go Moto Flunky

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    The dealerships are starting to realize that these little bikes are taking off and they are trying to capitalize on them.The most I will do is $3500 OTD.More than that,I'd go for the CB500X or F.
  4. yooperbikemike

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  5. DOUBLE-O G

    DOUBLE-O G Smooth Operator

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    Hot damn! 9 HP! :rofl

    It's still pretty fun! :evil
  6. DOUBLE-O G

    DOUBLE-O G Smooth Operator

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    Actually, I will make another comment about the power curve of the Grom.

    When I ride the Grom, I can tell that the "sweet spot" is between 5,500 and 7,500 rpm. The curve confirms it. It also shows that the power declines in the higher revs. I can again confirm that the Grom will reach its top speed between 7,000 and 7,500 rpm. After that, nothing. It won't go any faster.

    What the curve tells us is that it's useless to rev the Grom to its maximum rpm as it won't make it go any faster. It's best to ride the torque in the lower rev range and let the power take over in the higher rev range. It may only be 9 HP but they're all there.

    I think Honda did a very good job.
  7. sealsam

    sealsam Sam...I am.

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    I called a dealer here in So. Cal. yesterday to see if they had one, no way I was told, there too hot. Without me asking, he did tell me they are $4300 o.t.d.. :eek1
  8. DudeClone

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  9. sealsam

    sealsam Sam...I am.

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  10. easternshorebiker

    easternshorebiker Adventurer

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    It's a scootocycle!
  11. CaptnJim

    CaptnJim Scootist

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    Now, if anyone had any question about "those poor dealers" and the MADE UP fees...

    :eek1

    Someone will inevitably bring up "supply & demand"... which I will counter with "taking advantage" (aka: sticking to those who allow it). This type of pricing tactic will cool off sales. The public perception quickly becomes: "Oh, you bought one of those overpriced little bikes," and so it goes.

    When I earlier said, "I hope Honda sells a bunch of 'em," I didn't mean so the dealers can try to fleece the eager buying public.

    One bike... a half dozen eager buyers... "Hey, buyer, who will give me the most for this little bike?" It is to the dealers' advantage to keep the supply low and the price high... more profit (and less effort) in selling one bike for 40% OVER MSRP than selling a half dozen of them for the manufacturer's suggested retail price. Which model puts more bikes out there and makes the public more aware, which makes for more buyers, etc?

    I'm not sure creating buyer resentment is a good long-term sales tactic. :huh

    Those who have 'em, enjoy 'em!

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  12. DOUBLE-O G

    DOUBLE-O G Smooth Operator

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    All I can say is that I didn't and wouldn't have paid this much for it. Not even close. Yes my dealer charged me all the fees but it came out to just about $3,600. It's still high IMO but I wanted it. Buying a bike is always an emotional purchase. That's how dealers get us.
  13. DudeClone

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    $3600 sounds about right in California

    $3000 for Grom
    $ 300 for Honda's "destination" fee
    $ 250 for tax
    $ 200 for DMV and assorted fees
    $3750 for Grom

    thats a "give or take" estimate but its pretty much by the numbers once you add 'em up. let the dealer get away with "prep" and "freight" and "doc fees" and that is likely the $4300 amount being quoted some places

    i'd pay $3600, sure. its the same amount of some quality 150cc scooters so fair is fair
  14. DudeClone

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    ^

    the free market is not the begin all and end all of everything and sometimes the consumer just wants a square, HONEST deal. not a deal which locks one out in favor of what another has or is willing to pay, and a dealer who isn't playing fair with some customers

    i know, life isn't fair. and sometimes neither is the free market. just sayin....sometimes it works for a person, sometimes against a person. even if they worked just as hard for what they have and are willing to pay what most (except the dealer) says its worth. some cannot (or will not ) pay an inflated price. for those who are willing to, they get a bike, the dealer sells a bike. but some, even if they can afford it at reasonable msrp+ fees, don't. the buyer here is also doing no one behind him a favor. and he doesn't have to. thats up to the buyer and how much he or she wants something. the folks behind you matter not, you got it. good for you :)

    but thats not a "free market" at work for all when a value for a product has already been determined and advertised, but then you do the math at purchase time and think "who is getting my money, and for what?"

    idk? maybe people don't have respect for money anymore? shame, really. "here you go, take it!" oh well

    some greedy business owners and some well to do consumers. i couldn't careless about either, i want my best deal. Honda hasn't missed you, and neither has the dealer. great. so why give them so much "free market" consideration?

    its just a mindset, but you gotta say "screw them" sometimes and let 'em know how disappointed you are


    edit: oh, this isn't an anti free market / dealer rant. we have nothing better. but just because we like the free market doesn't mean people all of a sudden don't suck. some people do, and they deserve to know it
  15. OBD

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    kinda sux how they're jerking people around.
    the pair i bought in Ct i paid MSRP of $2999ea plus $100ea 'Dealer Prep' which includes paying a tech to uncrate, assemble, activate battery, test ride, all that stuff... and $125 freight.. which again seems reasonable...
    sales tax will differ from state to state but before sales tax my total was $3224ea..:deal
    sometimes people don't suck :freaky
  16. DudeClone

    DudeClone Long timer

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    Yup. And when they do not suck I let em know it. But if they do, same deal :deal
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    Quite a difference between $3224 and $4300. Even figuring sales tax into those numbers. I wasn't going for a rant in my post above; I made a good living by taking care of clients and making sure all my clients were treated fairly. It chaps my ass when a businessperson charges more just because they feel they can get away with it. The MSRP is set by Honda, and that includes a fair retail mark-up for the dealer.

    I get that someone would pay more than that amount 'cause they WANT IT! That is for each person to decide (and justify). That's the way an auction works. BUT, an auction isn't the same as a retail transaction.

    I support a dealer who takes care of me... I go back and by accessories, helmets, jackets, etc. One who tries to stick it to me gets NONE of my business; not now, not in the future. I am a proven bike buyer, and I don't give a dealer a second chance to do the right thing.

    But, that's just me. :lol3 It is, after all, a free market system here - everyone is entitled to spend their money the way they choose. :evil

    Jim
  18. DOUBLE-O G

    DOUBLE-O G Smooth Operator

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    I just had my second fill up today. I got 123 mpg! I had to re-calculate because I thought I got it wrong. 123! Sweeeeeeeet! :D
  19. viverrid

    viverrid not dead yet

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    Interesting about the gripes about dealer pricing on a hot ticket new item in short supply are one-sided. People think it is unfair that a dealer marks up something that is in high demand and short supply? Well then don't buy one, not like having a Grom the first month they are out is any kind of necessity.

    But yet people all the time brag on the great deal they got on a leftover or overstocked model that the dealer cut the price on to get rid of. Why is that okay? Do these same folks go in and say "No, I want to pay full MSRP on last year's model because that would be more fair to you"? No they do not.

    Dealer would be stupid to let a hot item go out the door at only list price, just like they'd be stupid to hold out for list on an overstocked left-over. Next time you claim somebody should NOT charge what the market will bear on a discretionary purchase, get back to me how you price it when you sell your house.

    (BTW, I think a Grom would be a cute toy, maybe buy one for the wife now that we realize she doesn't need the dualsport capability of her XT-225. But if I think the price is too high, I won't buy one. Simple as that. Nobody "needs" a Grom.)
  20. DOUBLE-O G

    DOUBLE-O G Smooth Operator

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    Nobody "needs" a motorcycle or a scooter. Everybody "wants" one. :deal