New Honda NC700X Anyone ride one of these yet???

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by JoeWannaB, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. Pecha72

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    People go RTW on just about anything. Vespas, Goldwings, Harleys, R1's, you name it... and sure it's possible to go around the planet without practically leaving the tarmac. But personally I think an "ADV bike" should have some credibility also outside the paved road, cos that's where a lot of ADV riders will want to go to from time to time. This bike looks just about as capable there as a Bandit, for example.

    Another thing is that it makes about the same power as a 1 cylinder 650cc, so its about 20hp down on other 650 twins in this category, and yet it's among the heaviest of them. Power is not so important in this class, but two-up fully loaded could still feel like... well, try that with a 20 year old 600cc Transalp. It has roughly the same output.

    Other than that, I believe it is a very nice bike in many ways.
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  2. GrahamD

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    Yep :deal

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  3. Garp

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    Interesting choices. I understand the perverse pleasure in deliberately choosing the wrong tool for the job and getting it done anyway. I notice that they wore all the right gear. I wonder if there is someone out there who decided to take a fully equipped ADV bike around the world, but chose to do it in shorts and flip-flops instead of all ATGATT. It's an equally valid choice.
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  4. Mulewright

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    I'm so sorry Brother .... but there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with this photo.......
    Kinda like banana & spam sandwitches w/ blueberry jelly...... Might well be Your thing, but methinks we'll pass on that one......:huh
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  5. GrahamD

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    They were competing in the Pharaons Rally, with Marc Coma (you may have heard of him). They finished with their sense of humor intact. You can do lot's of things on lots of bikes.

    All this BS about one bike not being able to do X or Y is just the marketing crap that has been internalized over the years.

    I am not saying they were are fast or did it as easy as a KTM450 but they did it. 30 years ago Harleys did all kinds of stuff, before everyone was niche' marketed to death.
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  6. Ham

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    People go on and on about this Adventure bike ideal. The Vstrom was not an adventure bike but some conversions helped, but the whole way you sit on the first edition just wasn't adventure bike...but people liked them and made them work. Out of the box this is way more adventure bike than the old stroms. Now the new stroms are a different story and have basicly morphed into the bike the lovers of stroms wanted and now they have my attention....though putting them out without a substantial protection device to the undercarriage is grossly negligent.

    This Honda will be the cats meow after a few adaptations. Honda is simply stupid and timid after their first awful try...the NSX. And they blame the American public. This one will fly...if our dealers get off their ass and order them.
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  7. Jud

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    You really think the new gen strom is that much better as an adv bike than the old strom?:huh If you buy your new bike and never touch it maybe. But honestly, the new strom is not ground breaker in comparison to the old one,,,,,,, especially once the modding starts.

    Most stroms never see anything rougher than a nicely maintained dirt road to the lack of a skid plate is no biggie in my eyes. If one wantes to do more, the aftermarket can step in easily. The only thing I think is grossly negligent on the strom is that the Cg is too high. I bought mine and discovered I didn't much like it {after hitting a deer} and when I fixed it, I tried to give it to my wife and I would get a KTM. Welp, she hated it. Too much weight up too high with too high a seat hieght and for what, like 5-6 inches of ground clearence at most? Bad design Suzuki.:puke1

    Shame too because Suzuki could have addressed a few things and it would have really made a night and day difference without shooting the cost through the roof. It's a shame the big four Japanese manufacturers are unwilling to build an alternative to the KTM Adventure, the GS800 or the Tiger 800.

    I'm looking real hard at the Honda for my wife. Everything I have read states the bike has a low seat height and center of gravity and if so, this might be the only modern bike other than a BMW single that might replace my wife's Ascot. Shame ain't, a 30 year old bike still being one of the best choices out there for some. :1drink

    Matter of fact, if the Ascot had fuel injection and a larger tank, it would be the best option for my wife and to be honest,,,, I've been thinking real hard about getting the tank modded to hold another gallon or two even though it would probably cost as much as the initial purchase price.:lol3

    +1 Agree with you 100% on the above.

    Me, it looks like I will be looking real hard at a Yammy Tenere or Triumph Explorer to replace my FJR. Now that I've modded the hell outta my DL I'm fairly happy with it,,,,,,,,,,,,,, still hate the high Cg though. Especially after rasing it nearly 2 inches. No need for a 12K$, pretty new bike when all you are gonna do with it is tour and play in the dirt a bit.:wink:
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  8. Pecha72

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    "Out of the box this is way more adventure bike than the old stroms" - Would you care to explain, why that is so? (And also is it this way on paper only, or has someone already had the chance to prove it, I´m asking because it is a new model for 2012?)

    I´ve had 3 Wee-Stroms, in fact I still own a 2007 and 2012, and though the new one is probably the best all-round bike that I´ve owned, I fail to see, how it is so much better as an ADV bike than the old one? Suspension set-up has in fact taken a big step forward, but other than that, the differences are really quite small.. which I think is also a good thing in the end, because the more radical changes they´d make to an already proven overlander, the higher the possibility, that they´d get something wrong. It has improved a little here and there, yes, but if I were to choose a bike to go RTW for example (and keeping in mind you´re likely to farkle them both before you go) I´d say they´re pretty much equal. I´d probably take the older one for that purpose, because I could get it cheaper.

    BTW, the Wee-Strom (or Vee-Strom) has never had any proper engine protection from the factory, though some models in some areas have been fitted with crashbars and/or bashplates, and sold under some different name, like DL650X / Adventure or something. The Vee´s plastic bugspoiler doesn´t really count. But the NC700X (or XL700 Transalp, or XL1000 Varadero, or many other similar street-oriented "adventure bikes" for that matter) do not have such item as standard either.
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  9. Ham

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    I guess I was mainly considering the riding position. More upright and less pocket rocket.
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  10. Spencer54

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    I've had a sit on one at Honda Chiswick when I was picking up spares for the Africa Twin.
    Seems really well put together bike, just felt right really.

    For me the the plus point of this bike is that I could see it making a superb DS bike with a few mods.
    The fact that it already has a range 250+ miles on a 14 litre tank appeals to me.
    I was thinking along the lines of an extra fuel tank in the compartment that currently is used as helmet storage under the fake tank. Then how far you'd get would be superb on one fueling.

    Front end/wheels off a pukka offroad bike and a decent rear shock - then your done.

    Screen on the bike was useless really, its the size of a credit card, but thats not hard to alter and there's already some touring screens on the market.

    My opinion is that these will get modded and make a decent long range bike.

    At £5.800 OTR in the UK thats a decent price and leaves scope to put on whatever you like.
    I got offered a good PX for the Africa Twin, but that's just too good a bike to let go.
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  11. Pecha72

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    And by that time you´ve probably spent a few thousand extra pounds on it.

    Is there something to suggest that the frame/chassis (that is similar also on the naked bike and the scooter versions, mind you), is really suitable for a DS bike? Scooters often have a low center of gravity, but can still be helpless off-road, so it takes more than that.

    Don´t get me wrong: I am quite certain, that it can be a fine touring bike for road-use, and fuel consumption/range are probably excellent, and Honda has known how to make unbreakable bikes for so long. It´s the DS purpose, that I´m not so convinced of. For that purpose, I think it´s like a Multistrada, so it probably won´t break down at the sight of a gravel road, or even tiny bit of off-road, but in reality it is not made for such use at all. Tyres and wheel sizes make this quite obvious, too. Trying to convert a bike into something that it is not, can become complicated and costly.
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  12. Spencer54

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    I disagree with the £1K's I think a used front off something doesn't have to cost a fortune.
    And I can't think of another bike of similar size and grunt that will return that mpg.

    Any add ons add up and whatever you do is £££ - be it a end can or whatever.
    I think as a genesis for something special it has a lot going for it.
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  13. Pecha72

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    Changing a bike's front end, wheels and rear damper is gonna cost you something, I can guarantee you that. Using high-quality spoked wheels for off-road use is even more expensive. And there's a bit of work to get them done as well. Sure anything is possible, and I will not be surprised to see such conversion done, but then it won't be such a budget bike any more.

    Small fuel consumption is a very big plus no doubt. But it ain't the only one: for example the F650twin/800GS, or the newest DL650 will get very close to the consumption figures of this bike, the latter with a 20 liter tank (older version is not thirsty either, and its got 22 liters) so range with the stock tank isn't spectacular.
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    Yep! http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Veterans/military-history.html#photos/1
    Impossible riding this bike off road huh?
    It looks like that link changed so here is another http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/Harley-Davidson-Military-WLA.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/Harley-Davidson_USA_Military_History&h=600&w=900&sz=141&tbnid=4anBJxYRW3Zs6M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmilitary%2Bharley%2Bdavidson%2Bhistory%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=military+harley+davidson+history&usg=__vp_Q69Hn_weC57djkr63PAvtBbE=&docid=A4eHH9dV7C--4M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Y5_4T9TuFObc2QXi4YHpBg&ved=0CF0Q9QEwBA&dur=714
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  15. Just GO!

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    3.7 gallon of fuel......and you have to lift the rear seat section to fill 'er up. That would be a PIA if you're travelling and using a tail bag. On the other hand you can store a full-faced helmet in the forward compartment, it's probably pretty comfy on the long runs and if it gets their claimed mileage.........


    We'll see.
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    anything can be ridden anywhere. But to be specific key part of good all-surfaces heavy dualsport (beast) is good long-ish travel suspension and relative toughness in event of fall.
    NC700X have awful (for this type of riding) suspension and tricky to protect fragile parts.
    Rest can be lived with. Thou for example Iceland ride would require to carry shedloads of fuel with you.
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    Maytag Repairman Been here awhile

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    I had my name at several dealers to be called when one came in. The only one that called (so far) is my local PoDunk dealership which I bought it at last Thursday the same day it was put on the floor.

    The week before I had called the only powerhouse dealer within several counties of me but the salesman who answered the phone was annoyed that I was asking about the bike and insisted nobody in the area would be getting one before the middle of August and then hung up without offering to call me when one came in.
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    You guys with your suspension changes.....gees get over yourselves and by a dirt racing Dakar super special and go out and have fun.

    Take this bike and put on a set of real tires, a real screen, find an extra fuel cell that fits in the trunk and you are off.

    That would 99.999999999999999999999999999999% of us...we just aren't real men:)
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  19. Pecha72

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    Read a test ride of it in a magazine.... They actually liked it, and said it´s a good tourer in many ways, and fuel economy is really excellent. The downsides were lack of power compared to its competitors (notably Versys and DL650), and bit of a cheap suspension, but that´s common in this price range. They also had not liked it at all outside the tarmac, said it is equally capable there as a CBF600.
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  20. JoeWannaB

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    Congrats on the new bike! Be sure to post up after you've had some time to get to know her. I was thinking this would make a good adventure touring bike in the lines of a V-strom or F800 GS. I'm a long time KLR 650 rider and still really enjoy my big thumper. I thought the NC700X would have better road manners than the KLR but wouldn't shy away from a gravel road. The tank under the seat seems like it could be a bit of a hassle with the bike loaded but I'm sure a clever fella would come up with a packing scheme that would work. For me, it looks like a good platform to start with to build on.The only real drawback I see is the really limited (for now) aftermarket parts supply like aluminum skidplates, nerf bars etc. So Maytag, I am really interested in hearing your "real world" experience with the bike from an actual owner. That's worth a lot more to me than 100 speculations based on manufacturer supplied tech specs. Enjoy!
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