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Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Skyy223, Sep 5, 2017.
Versatile jacket that has large zip open/closed vent panels,rain liner can be worn over or under main jacket and good insulated liner.
I have the first version,it only allowed rain liner under main jacket.
Good for changing conditions in California and SW USA/west coast.
I have the Firstgear Kathmandu. I have heard very positive things about the current Kilimanjaro 37.5 and will likely be my next jacket when my Kathmandu needs replacement.
This is close to what I do for multi-climate trips, but I use an Axo Air Cage pressure suit with an RST Paragon 2 textile jacket (with armour removed) over it as required. Sometimes just the pressure suit plus an MX jersey. The RST jacket is a more winter focused one with integrated waterproofing. A windstopper fleece in between adds a lot of warmth. This setup gives a good blend of protection & comfort across a big range of weather conditions, for not too much $$$. A goretex shell jacket would be better but more $$$.
I have the newer Kilimanjaro jacket (paired with the Kathmandu pant). The jacket is great in mild weather and rain, but very small front vents make it hot and stuffy above about 80° F, despite large vents at the shoulder blades.
Check out the Horizon 2 jacket and pants from Rev'it.
I am using the pants.......the are laminated (although not Goretex) with Rev'it's own breathable membrane and they have the same venting system used on the hi end stuff.
The high denier fabric is "crunchy" at first but it does soften up. They also use Rev'it's latest Seeflex armour. I'm from Ireland so our weather is fairly similar (minus your occasional high temps)
I think bang for buck........Rev'it is hard to beat at the moment.
This the jacket I use for 2.5 seasons in Ireland (spring,summer and half of autumn)
I am a new rider, just started this past spring. I have the Chronos GTX as well. Being in Louisiana, Heat and Humidity are the norm and this jacket has been great for that. I hope to find out how it handles the fall with cooler temps and lots of humidity.
Younger06, I drove through Naas once in 2013. Loved your country and hope to go back there again.
If you come back.......make sure to make contact.
I've just stopped wearing the Chronos in the last week or so.......our Temps have dropped towards our Autumn fairly early this year (10 - 15 degrees celcius)
I use Halvarssons Laminated gear for the cold, wet weather.
Imho, go have a look at the Klim Carlsbad series. That, combined with a Warm 'n Safe heated jacket for the really cold days, is pro'ly al you need.
I really don't care for liner jackets, had been using and dislinking them for years until I got to know Klim, waterproof and ventilated all in one jacket (or pant).
You could offer me a liner suit for free, and I'd still rather pay the full sum for a laminated piece of kit.
Doesn't have to be Klim if you ask me, but it's the only brand I know that offers laminated gear and an insane amount of ventilation in their gear. Rukka for instance is great gear, but only if you're riding around in a freezer.
The again, when it's really hot, it is hot. For everybody! Also for them using linered gear. Best mate used to ride around in a BMW Rally3 suit, last year we had +40°C in the Jura, he almost had to stop of heat stroke while I was (off course hot and sweating my balls of) thinking that it's getting a bit hot for comfort in my Badlands suit. Once it's that hot, nothing works, even riding butnaked isn't gonna help you cool down.
Anyway, go for laminated, and if you're looking for a wel ventilated suit which is halfway the pricerange, go for the Carlsbad.
Hello, How do like those boots ? Aren't they a bit too stiff ? Can you walk with them ?
My 4 season setup is a Motoport Mesh Kevlar jacket and a Warm & Safe Waterproof heated jacket liner.
I also have a Roadcrafter 1 piece and a Darien Jacket and Pants. To me, the mesh kevlar jacket and waterproof heated liner setup is better for almost any conditions. The exception is if I am commuting to/from work. Then, if it's not too warm, I would wear the Roadcrafter just for the easier don/doff and already being waterproof without having to put on a liner. But, the Roadcrafter can be pretty miserable when it's warm or hot out.
Regardless of jacket brands, for a single all-purpose setup, I would go with the best ventilation possible, in the jacket. And then add a waterproof heated liner to handle rain, cold, and cold rain (or snow). If it's raining and not cold, you don't have to plug the jacket liner in....
So here's the deal. In very cold weather all jackets need layering and additional heat. In extremely hot weather no jacket is good enough. It's all about compromise and looking at the conditions you'll be riding in the most.
The BMW EnduroGuard is as close to an all weather solution as I have seen. It is waterproof on the outside layer, breathes remarkably well due to the magic Schoeller c_change fabric, has huge vents and terrific armor. In cold weather a Warm and Safe jacket liner is the shizzle. It is my go to mid layer whether it is turned on or not. For extremely hot weather I add a wet vest underneath and close most of the vents, but I live in a dry climate.
Living in a part of the US with hot and humid summers, I’m with StuartV on the highly vented mesh with rain/windproof and heated layers. Here’s an interesting review: https://www.webbikeworld.com/season-motorcycle-riding-outfit/
What is your experience that leads you to conclude that a waterproof/breathable jacket is better than a mesh Kevlar jacket, in warm or hot weather?
If you live in the tropics, mesh is the only way to go in summer....
Again, as I stated, my normal riding is in the hot, dry desert. Riding in mesh gear in the desert will dehydrate you very quickly. If I lived in Thailand my choices would be different. The OP lives in Germany, which is typically colder and wetter than a mesh jacket without a liner is good for. Therefore, in context, a waterproof outer layer with good venting and layering capability is still, IMHO, the best way to go for the OP and for me. YMMV.
I am also vaguely in the market for a hot climate jacket although costs are a little prohibitive down in the south of africa.
But one Mr Poskitt has a very good summary, (which follows some of the comments made here - he must have checked lol) of why he went for a vented jacket over the Goretex used in an earlier Dakar.
Everyone needs to buy and ride with whatever gear they want. However, comparing a professional team rally racer's gear choices to a typical street rider is not a great comparison.
I used to live in the Sacramento area. I have ridden numerous days on my (former) GS when ambient temps were anywhere from 108 to 113F. At those temps, riding was fairly miserable even in my mesh kevlar gear. However, I would not have even considered switching to my Roadcrafter. That just sounds like a heat stroke waiting to happen.
Once the temps get down below 95 - 100, I can be very comfy in my mesh gear, while the Roadcrafter would still be pretty miserable.
I would agree. I would not ride a Roadcrafter in those temps as it would turn you into a baked lobster pretty quickly. But it also doesn't have the kind of venting and breathable fabrics that the EG does. The EG gives you the benefit of a breathable outer layer combined with waterproofing and great venting. We should all ride in what we are comfortable, but the OP was looking for one jacket with as much versatility as possible. IMO, that means a waterproof shell and great venting. Again, YMMV.