New Mexico Trials Association-NMTA

Discussion in 'Trials' started by Gordy, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. BossLady

    BossLady Adventurer

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    Wow...to chime in or not? Tough call....

    Yes, it can be a problem, but I don't think making stricter rules or not awarding points is the answer.

    I've been fortunate enough to travel coast to coast riding trials and have met some amazing groups of people with some fab clubs! I can't tell you how ofter I'm asked about how NMTA keeps ridership up? And how do we find enough scorers?

    I don't think you guys realize how good we actually have it? I just keep hearing about penalties & rules to get enough scorers that other clubs are "forced" to use, and none of it seems to be working.

    I say we stick to the NMTA way that I was introduced to a few years ago....
    Veterans...educate the new guys that scoring is part of the sport.
    If you know you can roll out later on Sunday...sign up for Sunday.
    If your buddy came in from out of state to ride....let him score the Saturday's.
    Don't wait to be asked...go check in & see if all sections are full.

    If you want to add a new rule....then make the TM deliver beers to the checkers. Problem solved! :freaky
  2. Southmt

    Southmt Been here awhile

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    Yup, I agree. We're kinda family, and I think an occasional reminder oughta be enough. If that doesn't do it, I vote for the beers.
  3. ridenm

    ridenm Long timer

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    One thing -- have the long loops on Saturday, not Sunday. If observers are still out in the sections past 4 pm on a Sunday the event is taking too long.
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  4. Ditch

    Ditch Long timer

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    I'm in with Bosslady (especially the beers part!) The more onerous, the more you drive away IMHO. If we should fall too short, then we can use the buddy system. I prefer having checkers since I like to ride my own pace, but will do whatever it takes. It's all fun for me!
  5. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    Not a nmta member, only an honorary New Mexican, and barely know the rules myself but can run a hole punch pretty good. Someone tell me what to do at lake fork in the am and ill do it
  6. lineaway

    lineaway Long timer

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    Saturday was the longest trials we have had in a long time. (I was the last rider in :imaposer) Sunday seemed to be ok as we got out after the awards with plenty of daylight to get home. The amount of people at the awards though was pretty thin.
  7. Brewtus

    Brewtus Buffoonery, Inc.

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    I have the same concerns that Southmt does. It has always bothered me a bit that scorer signup was so low when rider count was high.

    I'm also with Bosslady, more rules are not the answer. We do have an awesome club filled with awesome people, and forcing scorer rules are not conducive to the dynamic that NMTA is fortunate enough to enjoy.

    This is why I will on occasion switch up the rider schedule as NMTrailboss said earlier. I believe that if you made the effort to ride, you make the effort to volunteer, the occasional "life getting in the way" notwithstanding. It is no secret that Trials is a volunteer driven sport so riders with more than 2 months experience have no excuse to chronically avoid stepping up.

    In fact my event in October will be here before you know it... :evil
  8. Gordy

    Gordy Team Listo

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    Yesterday at Lakefork:

    Apparently, some gal got into an argument with her SO and drove this truck off of a cliff.

    This is at the far northern end of our riding area.

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    The cliff.

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  9. Buschog

    Buschog Been here awhile

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    Ouch
  10. 10K

    10K Trail Runner

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    That's a five.
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  11. TXNMGUY

    TXNMGUY dirt dobber

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    Will we have a MWVTA section in this area?
  12. BEEF706

    BEEF706 King of the dumb dab

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    now doubly sorry i missed out.
  13. 2whlrcr

    2whlrcr gooligan

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    I wouldn't drive myself off the cliff. I'd rope the SO to the steering wheel and give him a push.

    Now the BLM is probably going to have to air lift that truck out of there. Hope they send her the bill.
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  14. AteamNM

    AteamNM Wonna Be ADVrider

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    Many that come a long ways must score, this is the Saturday event that they can score. In Texas if you were out of state then everyone assumed that they would sign up to score on Saturday. If you ride a trials event, regardless of where you drove from then your expected to score on Saturday. The local club members cover on Sunday. Maybe a sign at sign up that says you are expected to score at least on day. Texans scored Oklahoma events on Saturday, vice versa. There should be no tolerance for someone attending and riding a 2 day event to not score. Let Brewtus and Hammer enforce the rule. There were even some NM folks that drove to Palo Duro and scored the national, not even riding. A 2 way street for all. I guess there could be a black list posted at the sign up from the last event. Then there are those that show up late on Saturday, hide all weekend to avoid scoring and leave early on Sunday. Once the 'hammer' has been dropped, they will not show up or volunteer at the next event. Peer pressure is powerful.
  15. Ditch

    Ditch Long timer

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    Who the hell is that AteamNM guy? Do we know him?

    Hi Tony! :wave
  16. jonnyc21

    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    With no local events I am always the out of town guy at an event, and every time I check to see if they need someone to score. I have a few times been told we are good but if someone has to pull out we will let you know and then not had to score but many times am out there in the afternoon scoring on a Saturday. To me is just part of the sport and I am happy to contribute. On that note with my long drives home if I can't score a Saturday I admit I will not offer on a Sunday as most of the time I am looking at between 7 and 9 (or more) hours drive home and a late afternoon scoring on a Sunday just sucks as I don't often get a Monday off...
  17. flo10

    flo10 Been here awhile

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    I should probably stay out of this conversation; however, since the work/ride rule helped change my life for the better, I think I have a little insight. First, let me say I think everyone should do their share of work putting on events and I enjoy checking events occasionally. Next, I feel when you pay to ride you should not have to work. And you certainly shouldn't be kept in suspense whether you're going to ride in the morning or in the afternoon. I understand if this is the system you are accustomed to it seems to work just fine; however, think how nice it would be to just show up and ride and not have to worry about working.
    So how would this be possible? Pretty simple really, just work one or two events per year without riding. In the end you work less and potentially ride more. Let's say your Club puts on 10 events per year. If you work 3 hours and ride 3 hours every event, you work 30 hours and ride 30 hours per year. On the other hand, if you work two events without riding let's say for six hours per event and you stretch the events out to 5 hours. You would only work 12 hours per year and ride 40 hours per year. Even if you don't lengthen the events, you still have that time to ride and practice.
    Now, how to get people to work an event. Offer an incentive. Give club members a discount (work credit) on entry fees when they have worked two events. So the club can still cover expenses, start out by raising entry fees and then give a discount for work credit of the same amount that the entry fees were raised.
    So how did this ride/work rule change my life for the better? When this rule was forced on the STRA membership by a couple of individuals I started looking at alternative riding options and started riding more National events which eventually led me to a nice little town in Colorado where there are plenty of riding options.
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  18. heffergm

    heffergm Long timer

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    You guys seem to have your own system for checking, but fwiw, NETA works like this:

    - in a season with 12 or fewer events, if you want to qualify for year end points (i.e. be eligible for a championship) you must check one event
    - in a season with 13 or more events, if you want to qualify for year end points you must check two events (in the four years I've been riding there hasn't been a 13+ event calendar)

    The clubs that comprise NETA may put on 1 or more events during the year.

    So basically, setting aside things like Nationals and World rounds, in a 12 event season, everyone works one event. Each day of any two day event is considered an individual event, so if a club puts on a two day you work one and are free to ride the other. You only pay an entry fee if you're riding.

    The motivation to check an event is twofold: one, as a requirement for membership to your individual club (if you are a member of one), and two, as a requirement to qualify for year end points awards. Obviously if you're not a member of any of the clubs hosting events, you could ride them all and not work, but again, you wouldn't be eligible for year end points. From what I see, the system is working relatively well.
  19. flo10

    flo10 Been here awhile

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    That is basically what STRA used to do. It worked well
  20. lineaway

    lineaway Long timer

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    Our system has worked for 47 years. Our problem is lots of new riders, which is great! They just need broke into our trials family.