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Discussion in 'Trials' started by Gordy, Oct 9, 2012.
Yea, I used to be a building inspector and I can't tell you how many times I heard that's the way we've always done it or we've been doing it like that for 30 years. I also used to think Mississippi was a fine place to live until I got out and explored a little bit. Maybe exploring other options would be in order. Who knows, you may even end up with more riders.
I totally agree with Lineaway. When I started this discussion, I said that it was a reminder of how the system works, and with lots of new riders, it was time for that reminder. Our system ain't broke.
Also, do the other clubs mentioned ride split days like we do? With that system, it's not a matter of forgoing riding to work, you just ride half a day and be available to score half a day. If there are plenty of scorers, some folks get to goof off or leave early.
Hopefully, everybody pulls their weight. Also, for those from a long ways away, I don't know as how anybody has criticized them as slackers. We like to see 'em!
Out of curiosity, what's your average rider turnout for an event? We don't ride split days by the way... I can't imagine how you pull that one off.
Riders generally start showing up around 7:00am to go walk sections, signup opens sometime around 8 or 9, the little kids ride from 10-11, riders meeting at 10:45, hit the loop at 11, then have until 3 to finish without penalty, then till 3:30 with grace time (1/2 point deduction for every minute you're late). Then all the scoring gets finished and posted, then trophies and whatnot at 4-something ish.
We had 82 riders last event. We usually have between.. 55 to 90 riders. Riders merring at 8. Lower classes start at 9 till 12. Upper classes usually ride from 1 till 4. Pretty easy to get it all done.
Flo our club is more like a camping club. Most events people start rolling in on Wednesday. By friday pm most are there. NETA and others like it are made up of mini clubs that can"t make a go alone. We run 14 to 16 events a year and started in 1970. The old scoring system you are talking about came over from England with the idea of riding and let others do the scoring. We have always felt that if you want to ride , then you should help with scoring. Besides that is the best way to meet all the riders and be part of the club. Not just show up ride quickly and go home. We would rather see the whole club around the camp fire friday night.
The only problem there is that there are a lot of people that can't commit to that setup. So they either show and ride, leave, and get the stink eye, or they don't ride at all. Maybe there's a middle ground.
Your schedule is the same number of hours as ours.
Let me preface that statement......
I am an avid scorer and score every RMTA event, one day at the Ute Cup(so I can ride on), and both days at the nationals when they come to Colorado every other year. I believe it should be up to the "hosting club"(apart from world/nationals) to provide the scorers not someone who traveled 5+ hours on their vacation to hang out at "your" event all day.
I now for a fact that NMTA members have come up and didn't score our RMTA events, "and I don't want them to have to!!"..... "This is our event and you're our guests!" I don't think it's right to expect "visitors" to pick up the slack for "members" not pulling their weight. "Visitors" should be able to come up, ride in the morning/afternoon and then continue on their vacation to go into town, check out the sites, ride their dirt bikes, whatever........Plus if I show up to an NMTA event with 82 "club" riders and I'm expected to score; that to me is B.S......I still would; but doesn't make it right
Just MHO. YRMV........
ps: Not going to debate just giving my POV
you forget our Colorado riders come to our event instead of riding the RMTA event So we expect them to score. Out of our 82 riders 20 were from Colordo. Of course who could blame them as Sipapu is a great area.
Brake.......you've got some valid points.
Hoooo Eeeee! I smacked a hornet's nest.
I meant for my original post (seen that? Huh?) to be a reminder to NMTA members about scoring duties. And an educational thing for NMTA newbies.
Not meant as a criticism of long-distance-to-home folks. I don't know as how we've ever gotten down on them folks for leaving early on Sunday. Any out-of-staters been got down on? I think we, as a club, understand your situation. We're more family-oriented than rules-oriented. I really like that.
Our riding system ain't broken. Don't need fixing. Probably works better than yours, but that's ok. We just needed a gentle reminder about scoring, necessary every couple years. That's all.
If any visitor has been rudely treated, please PM me, as we don't want to do that!
Just had to give Brake BS back. Colorado riders regularly escape to New Mexico from the land of trials Nazi`s.
I have to agree with Brake. We have out of state riders (who are not members nor in the chase for end of year points) expected to score while some of the locals get in their trucks and drive away early? THAT is BS.
You non-members come on out, ride our events and get on the road home at your first chance. I dare someone to have a problem with that. If we can't cover that (without bitching) , we have a problem.
Oh course, I have no dog in this hunt as I've entirely missed the last two events.............:sigh
I like checking in the afternoon, it lets me watch the good guys do what they do,and I learn something every time. Sipapu was the first time I didn't check ( I asked and was told they were good) so I watched a couple of sections and then went home. I just budget the checking time as part of the event. It was the first time i got home before dark from a Sipapu event. I got home in time to lick my wounds before passing out.
Agreed! Well said. My 'reminder' was for NMTA folks that skipped out, no complaint about visitors with long drives!
We are now!
Terrible schedule overlap this year... While it was incredibly painful to miss a Sipapu event, I have to say that the Molines put on another fantastic event at Nonami. Chuck goes the extra mile to make things fun - no2tracks even won a Viking sword! And... I didn't see a single Nazi all day.
Can't wait to see all the New Mexicans at Lake Fork - and may I suggest that some of you come up to the Hartman Rocks event the next week in Gunnison, CO (July 15-16). Rumor has it, it's bringing Keith Wineland out of retirement.
Southmt could have an interesting night as the road past his house is closed due to a brand new forest fire. It`s probably 1.5 miles away. I had to take an alternate route home, but I did go shake hands with one of the fireman EMT`s on scene that grew up in our club.