New OSSA Explorer 2012

Discussion in 'Trials' started by vander, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. jonnyc21

    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    True an all accounts and I did find once that the Pampara was dry at 210 (Have a friend with one and really I would guess 220 dry at best)

    The more I look at them the more I slide to the OSSA over the X-Ride. Still would like a way to keep the BMW but most of the time I ride it I am on slab so not sure it's my best choice. Still in the debate on what my long term riding goals are and shouldn't get the OSSA even if I sell the BMW anyway as I don't have the cash to buy without a loan so will have to keep the BMW for now (not a bad thing by any count.)

    Time and $ will be the desiring factor and it's hard to tell, who knows if they bring the 4RT back to the US I might just get one of them and convert my current 07 4RT into an OSSA equivalent. :):deal
  2. Lotus54

    Lotus54 Ngana

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    I went on a 50 mile ride yesterday (I think 4.5 hours actual running time, I'll check).
    Started on HWY 101, off to power line, gravel roads, single track, tight single track, NO track through clear cuts (lots of log hopping etc), ice, hills - great day!
    The OSSA did fantastic! Cruised down 101 easily, 50mph was around 4500 rpm in 6th, I'm sure 55-60 would be easy. Harder to shift sitting down (trials gear lever, move your foot to shift- works great standing, not as well sitting).
    Of course it was the best in the places where there was no trail at all- the more difficult the better. I'm getting to know the bike more and trusting what it will really do. I had by far the easiest time (I think) in the really nasty sections.
    The low fuel lamp came on just as we got back, so 50 miles with a small reserve. I brought a litre of fuel along, but never used it.

    For fast, rocky sections, it certainly isn't as easy to ride fast as my 300, but I did just fine. Some places I'd be a little faster on my 300, but as I get used to the bike more I don't think much of the time it makes any difference. I try to ride about 60% of my max anyway! number one rule- don't fall down! (I was the only one yesterday that didn't.

    I installed some KTM adventure plastic handguards- I used them on my Ducati and liked them. Quite light, flexible and not expensive. Worked great for the brushy sections. Before I kept doing stoppies as brush hit the front brake and clutch. Plus probably a bit warmer for my hands.
    I am planning of getting some of the twisted Engineering flex composite bars, so these should flex ok with those bars (I think).

    I really like the peg location and weight distribution of the bike. Even with modest power output it is easy to loft the front wheel at speed- a quick preload of the front and weight shift with a bit of a tug and it pops right up over mud holes, ditches etc. the rear seems to do just fine hitting those as speed, I haven't noticed any bottoming yet. Forks work darn well also. Lewisport fixed me up with the trials rear brake lever- perfect! Nice hinging pedal and in the perfect location. If you buy one of these, buy this lever also.

    I'm very happy with the bike so far. Incredibly fun to ride and I feel like I improving my skills. Standing properly of hills most of the time now. The bike really rewards standing, since it is so much easy to move weight around and absorb shocks from logs, rocks etc.
    It runs super clean, the guys behind say it is like riding behind a 4-stoke, except is smells great!

    I'll pop up a short video later.
    But I would encourage anyone to check these out. The light weight is fantastic!

    Mark
  3. lamotovita

    lamotovita Ageing Adventurer

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    What is the difference between the two levers? Have you a photo?
  4. Lotus54

    Lotus54 Ngana

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    The stock Explorer lever is a mild steel lever with no retractable tip.
    It is too long, so I had to ride with my heel partway on the peg to reach it (and I wear size 12). It bends easily also.
    The trials one is alloy, has a height adjuster, neat retractable tip and is short enough that it falls right under the toe. Just right!

    I will take a couple of pics.

    Mark
  5. motobene

    motobene Motoing for 44 years

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    Wish I was able to ride where you do! The terrain is spot on for the bike. I've been waiting to do that kind of riding on the trials bike between Angel Fire and Sipapu in NM, but have yet to get some folks up to do that... and it'll be next summer before we can anyway. Fuel range is something we'll deal with somehow.

    You sais you were riding with others. Were they on bigger bikes? If so, did the Explorer make a big impression?

    Oh and I wonder if they opted for a steel shift lever so it could get smacked hard and bend? The forged aluminum one will do that too, but it won't bend back so easily.
  6. Lotus54

    Lotus54 Ngana

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    Come on out!
    Yes, the others were on bigger (physically anyway) bikes.
    500 KTM, 250 (with 320 kit ) KTM and 250 KX Kawasaki 2- stroke.
    For the nasty stuff I think so.
    I had think I had more fun with the hardest stuff and made it easier also (well, I think so anyway). I know everyone likes the light weight that has ridden it.
    If all you did was fast stuff, then probably not the best. But for single track that speed is maybe 20 mph at the very most, and especially places where speed is 2mph...then it really is great.
    One thing I really like, if I mess up, it is so light it is easy to get yourself out of whatever trouble you are in. Turning around on nasty hill is a LOT easier, same with putting a foot down when loosing balance.

    I really don't know why they used the steel lever. It really doesn't work well.

    The alloy lever is tucked on, with a very nice steel pivot section. It folds way back, so unless you hit it just right it wouldn't bend. The stock one stuck way out and I even bent it on something (which put it back to where I could reach it actually). I also broke the weld the holds the spacer on, getting it over a very steeply angled log. I don't think trials lever would have broken a sweat over the same log.

    Mark



  7. jonnyc21

    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    The bars the OSSA Explorer comes with is likely to be trials bars and not angled back as much as standard MX/dirt bike bars so I would not recommend the "twisted Engineering flex composite bars" unless they have a trials bar option. You would get a much more cramped ride and standing up wouldn't be anyware near as easy in the hard stuff.

    My 2 cents for what its worth.

    If you do get them please tell us what you think.
  8. Lotus54

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    Yes, that certainly could be an issue- I have been conserved about that.

    I think I'll just get the 'test bars' they have so I ca see if the bend will work.
    Looking on the bike, my KTM bars are pretty close to the OSSA (well, sort of hard to tell). I have then angled up much like the trials bikes do- so it has really good standing ergos. Not so great for sitting.

    They just plain may not work though...

    Mark



  9. jonnyc21

    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    Didn't spend that much time on the site to see they had test bars... if so that would be a way to go for sure. Good luck :norton
  10. Lotus54

    Lotus54 Ngana

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    Here is the trials pedal
    (Please excuse the dirt, still not cleaned up from yesterday)

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    And the original pedal

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  11. motobene

    motobene Motoing for 44 years

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    Interesting. The steel pedal is cheesy looking. It also looks to be farther away from the footpeg than the forge aluminum trials pedal Given that detail is backwards for the application, perhaps cheap was the motive? The steel peg would cost about half or less as much to make. And if sourced in Asia maybe be less than 20%.
  12. Lotus54

    Lotus54 Ngana

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    Yes, the original was way too far from the footpeg.
    I'm Sure it is cheaper, but since they already have the one for the trials bike, it seems the cost savings would be less (sourcing and stocking two parts).
    But there may be other reasons also.
    At least it is an easy fix.


    Mark


  13. 2old2Bbold

    2old2Bbold was 2bold2getold

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    Might want to cut (shorten) that steel one and put a hinged tip on it. Then have it for a spare, or carry it on longer rides where an alloy welder might be hard to come by. Justincase.
  14. manybike

    manybike Omnipresent

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    The Ossa explorer just went on sale here, (Alberta Canada)

    $6500 cad, not a bad price, going to look tomorrow.
  15. Lotus54

    Lotus54 Ngana

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    Is that a 14 or 13?

    Make sure the easy start is retro fitted if a 13.
    Good price!
  16. Seth650

    Seth650 Been here awhile

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    Likely to be wider interest by Day Trippers for the Explorer. Questions do arise like: what options for where, how is highway handling with a 53" wheelbase, what's the real world top speed when nearing GVW and the 0-70, will I need a dealer to do some maintenance, and dealer locations?

    Actually, at 170 lbs. most guys here would find a way to carry the Explorer on their R1200gs
  17. Lotus54

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    It wouldn't be my first choice for any distance on the hiway, although you could.
    With the steep steering you want to keep a light touch on the bars on the highway, but I had no issues. It doesn't have a load of power or acceleration in sixth gear- it is quite smooth though. I doubt I'll ever go more than a few miles on the highway, but have done a bit more on gravel roads.

    There are not very many dealers yet- but I think if more people rode this bike there would be a lot more.
    There is one in Locke, NY. (I don't know what part of the state that is. Maybe not too far from you)
    I don't think they much would really need to be done by the dealer- just electronics if ever needed possibly (the software and cables are sort of expensive). The rest of the bike is pretty straightforward from what I've seen.
    If there was ever a transmission problem, it can be take out with the engine in the frame quite easily. If you can change a clutch I think you could do that.
    The two year warranty is great!

    Here the bike is best is tight trails. I find it great fun on wider trails also, not so wonderful on the whoops (but I don't like those anyway). The harder the trail the better the bike likes it.
    I wouldn't call it a dual sport at all- a street legal dirt bike (in states that allow plating, it is NOT classified a street legal bike, even though it comes with everything but side reflectors to be street legal here in Washington state with an inspection)
    I would actually like it better on the hiway than my KTM 300- it has LOTS more power, but the OSSA is so smooth and cruises along quite nicely. But I'll bet guys I the big adventure bikes bring more luggage than this thing weighs!

    Anyone up around this area I'll be happy to show it - if interested.

    As you can tell, I'm pretty excited about the bike.

    Mark
  18. lamotovita

    lamotovita Ageing Adventurer

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    Lotus, have you thought about riding some Trials events on your Ossa?
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    I've never ridden a trials event, heck- I've never even been to one! (Just exhibition trials).
    I think it would be pretty fun, I understand they have beginner classes that are not crazy or anything. I'll look into it (if you know of ones please let me know).

    I've heard about people doing them, someone did pretty Well on one in the Scottish six days trial- another did well at Erzberg (modified with a little longer suspension). Two quite different events!

    Mark
  20. jonnyc21

    jonnyc21 Trials Ninja

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    FYI: http://pugetsoundtrialers.com/

    A great bunch of guys and there next trial is in Marysville, WA on Jan 12th called "Plastered Purple Penguin". If your doing lots of hard single track you could ride novice fine and have a great time. If you go I suggest showing up early so you can ask questions and maybe watch the other riders worm up so you can get an idea of what its all about. :evil

    Love it out here in ID and the trials group is great but wish I had some of my old buddies from WA to ride with. (had more people to ride with on Saturday [my free day])