New Owners - Stupid Questions Thread

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by HighFive, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. Scubalong

    Scubalong Been here awhile

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    Thanks for your replied:thumb
    Just want to be sure it is not the bike that need attention:evil

    ADV :super
  2. 4TooMany

    4TooMany Been here awhile

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    It's dangerous because it creates a false sense of security, yes, a bit like ABS. As pointed out above, there can be black ice at temperatures too warm to make the idiot light flash. Therefor, if you're relying on a flashing light to tell you when there could be ice, it's dangerous. ABS has the same effect. People use it as a replacement for learning how to brake properly, and I promise you if you grab a handful of brake in a corner, you're going to hit the ground whether you've got ABS or not.

    I've been riding motorcycles for the last 30 years, and this is the first bike I've owned with either ABS or an "ice warning" light. I've never needed either before, and I don't need it now. Learn to ride... I mean really learn to ride, and neither of those safety crutches will ever matter.

    Also, there's a fascinating phenomenon called "risk compensation" (look it up) that basically shows that as you improve perceived safety, people take greater risks. ABS and traction control are perfect examples. People don't think they need to be as careful (or learn a necessary skill) because these features will somehow magically save them. So because of that, they ride above their (or the bike's) ability and end up crashing anyway.

    I take this seriously because lawmakers think like you do. And eventually when they realize that all the safety features in the world can't keep you from killing yourself, they'll just outlaw motorcycles.
  3. JRWooden

    JRWooden Long timer

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    :lol3 Some day she's going to go by the dealer and ask why impending-rain-warning-light didn't work and she got wet.... Shortly afterwards there might be a guy named Reaver getting his a$$ kicked :lol3
  4. going south

    going south hero & Zero...

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    With out all those red blinking telling you what go on!!! they would have to lower the price....:deal
  5. itsatdm

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    The older than you proof. Hate to tell you this but I am 70. My first bike was a 1968 Aeromacchi 250 and I have been riding ever since. I don't have ABS on my bike.

    I don't know of any law that requires the bike manufacturers to put ice warning lights on a vehicle. The fact BMW has one, has nothing to do with the government.

    I do get a kick out of some posters, who announce how many times ABS has saved their bacon. My thought is they are doing it wrong, as I have been riding 44 years with only 2 going too fast for my skill level crashes.

    You want to be serious about bike safety? quit worrying about "ice lights" and go talk to your legislature about Helmets, mandatory training and staged licensing, because that is the only way you can be sure they get it. It probably would have prevented the 2 accidents I had.

    But that would involve the Government, which I am sure you are against and your right to do things that might kill you.

    Lets get back to other stupid questions
  6. 4TooMany

    4TooMany Been here awhile

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    I made it very clear that my comments about my riding experience were directed at those who feel they need a warning light to tell them when it may be slippery. So for you to get your panties in a bunch, I must assume that's you.

    Well yeah. Um, duh. Of course I'm against the Government telling me which activities are and aren't safe. And EVERYONE on this board should be. Unquestionably, if the motorcycle were invented today, it would never have been made legal. Our society is way too safety conscious to allow such an unsafe contraption on the roads. If you disagree with that, I find it very hard to believe you're really 70.
  7. itsatdm

    itsatdm Long timer

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    My panties are fine thank you.

    I don't know if any one feels they need a flashing temp light. The OP did not even know what it was. I ride the same as I always did. It has one, BFD. Man you are wound tight.

    Now if you will excuse me, I am going to take out the flashing temp light, seat belts, air bag, traction control, and abs on my wifes car, so she can learn to drive better.:rofl
  8. 4TooMany

    4TooMany Been here awhile

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    Might actually work. This part especially:

    "Peltzman concluded that while the standards had saved the lives of some vehicle occupants, they had also led to the deaths of pedestrians, cyclists and other non-occupants. John Adams of University College London studied the impact of seat belts and reached a similar conclusion, which he published in 1981: there was no overall decrease in highway fatalities."

    In other words, those "features" of your wife's car make her more likely to kill a motorcyclist.

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Presence-of-Mind-Buckle-Up-And-Behave.html

    Fascinating stuff.
  9. 4TooMany

    4TooMany Been here awhile

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  10. HighFive

    HighFive Never Tap-Out

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    :poser no doubt.

    But it's allowed....with honor.....in the Stupid Questions Thread.

    HF :deal
  11. Karasu

    Karasu Adventurer

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    Ok first post and well what better place to start off! :lol3

    So first thing first I'm in the market for a F658 or a F800, I won't start a debate here on which one I should be getting but I might end up with a F800 just due to the lack of any F658s available.

    So the first question is where are all the used bikes? (P.s. I'm a Canuck) I thought you all would but up to the R12s by now just dying to pass your farkled rides on to a new rider like me :evil.

    Second question. How much should I worry about picking up a used F800 out of its shoddy Canadian warranty? I plan on checking the VIN with the dealership to hopefully get the proper DL on what work has and hasn't been done but both bikes I'm looking at are first run F8s (2008) with I hope not too many problems. Am I best off just replacing the rear hub, sprockets, chain, ad nauseum or were there just a small percentage that ended up with those problems?

    Thanks for the advice in advance. I've been on here weeks just reading, so as to try to keep the stupid to a minimum but I think I might stick to posting here for a bit. :wink:
  12. Reaver

    Reaver Outta Here

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    OK Karasu, I'm just down the road from you. There are a lot of choices now on kijiji so they are out there. Buying at a Dealer maybe better but you'll pay for it. Most BMW owners are proud of their ride and will tell you where they got it etc. We just bought a used 658 off there and we're the 4th owners since 2010. Bought, traded in and serviced all by Wolf BMW in London. All records in place and even tho I bought private and had no intention of doing service there I was told to go for it. Great bike.

    I'd prefer at least a 2009 but that's just me. Talk to the Dealer and get the history. The sellers package will give you the previous owner status. A lot of people buy these bikes cause of the amount of disposible cash they have and when the novelty wears off, they trade it or sell outright.

    Recalls aren't time limited and as far as the rear wheel bearings go it's better the devil you know. Deal with it now and forget it. They're great bikes but not perfect. Just get a good winter price.
  13. Karasu

    Karasu Adventurer

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    Thanks for the quick reply Reaver!

    Yeah I figure getting a winter deal is the ticket. I guess with all the test riding done on here anything that could go wrong has and I'll be sure to get advice to fix it. Yeah I'm waiting out a good deal but I guess in the end waiting a couple months will only ensure things are going to get more expensive.

    One last question if you wouldn't mind. What kind of price difference do you usually see for mileage on. Say identical bike only one is with 30k and the other 15k. I haven't been seeing a big difference in price but I guess part of that is because they'll run to 100k anyways eh ?

    Cheers for the help !:clap
  14. Reaver

    Reaver Outta Here

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    Depends on the condition more so. I'd rather have a bike with a few more miles than one that was left abandoned in the garage. The price difference is negligable on kms, it's the accessories that add value. Our 658 had the same kms on it as our wrecked bike but came with the touring windshield, tank bag, OEM luggage and the maintenance CD, all for less than a no frills bike advertised now. We sold the excess gear for a grand which resulted in a real good deal on the bike. See tho that the valve check isn't immediately due cause that's $700-800 right there if you don't do it yourself. 20k kms for valves (20, 40 etc.) Fork oil change at 30k kms. Check the steering bearings also. Then again, get it certified at a BMW Dealer and you'll get all the info then.

    My F800 sits in my country garage and is a fav with mice. Check under the seat for evidence and look down the snorkel if possible. They like to build nests on top of the air filter which the engine will eventually suck that whole mess into itself. I've repaired some wiring also from the little beggars chewing. Our 658 was fresh out of the 20k inspection so the filter was changed and bike inspected.

    If you buy one, PM me and we'll see what stuff I can sell you. :D
  15. Loutre

    Loutre Cosmopolitan Adv

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    Can't help you for the Canadian status on that, but here in france we calculate an average of 8000-10.000km per year for these kind of bikes and +/- 1% on the price for ever 1000km that has been overdone (or not been done).

    hope this helps,

    Cheers,

    Loutre - Tom
  16. Karasu

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    Awesome! Thanks to the both of you for the help!

    It's nice to at least have a ball park to work with. I have my eye on one that has been pampered by a mechanic, that sounds like it's in great shape. I just have to figure out how to buy one from overseas now! (Traveling till March)

    Reaver when I pull the trigger you'll be hearing from me, my buddy just got a 2009 658 too but it sounds like those farkles are long gone. :lol3

    Well I'm bound to join the club sooner or later. I'll have to get a bike to learn to ride at some point. So count on me being around to keep this thread rolling. :rofl
  17. NotSoPlainJane

    NotSoPlainJane Adventurer

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    Iwas told by the salesman that as long as I kept reciepts for oil etc. and kept records and did the suggested work at the right mileage that the warrantee would be honored ..... Truth ?? We will find out won't we..... joy :evil
  18. SansSand

    SansSand Dirty Smile

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    I was told the same save receipts and mileage pictures to confirm done at proper intervals. That said I alway have the dealer do my bike under warranty. They have found issues I was unaware if and replaced while under warranty. I may not have noticed until out of warranty. That is what has worked for me. Bit then I am not much if a Motörhead. Can do basics. But that is about it :)


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  19. joker64

    joker64 Been here awhile

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    :happayFirst off let me say thanks for starting this thread so I didn't have too ! Heres my stupid question . what services other than oil , oil filter , air filter and lubing the chain need be done on the 650GS ?:dohI hope I'm not asking the questions as someone else . I didn't read all 72 pages . :huh
  20. Loutre

    Loutre Cosmopolitan Adv

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    You DIDN'T read all 72 pages?! Get out of here!:lol3

    once a year you should (that's what they say anyway) change your brake fluids