New tire need scuffing myth

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by TheBlurr, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. foxtrapper

    foxtrapper Long timer

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    Yet they still keep reporting it in their annual emissions certifications. Quantities used, purchase invoices,etc. I haven't seen a tire manufacturer emissions certification that doesn't report using it.
  2. OhBoy

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    I am a Scuffer.

    Low speed weaving gradually increasing speed and lean angle. Done with any type of new tire. Only takes a few minutes. A good time to practice figure eights. Been known to do it in the dealers lot. Then head out to reality on the road. Increasing speed and angles until I'm satisfied.

    Sometimes I'll rotor-till some dirt to hurry the process on the rear.:lol3

    YMMV
  3. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    Yeah, but you're dealing with race slicks, not the tires on some guy's Shadow. I remember bicyclists used to and may still age their tires in dark rooms to affect the tread compound, no ozone source. Does it do anything? I don't know.

    I figure these guys know far more than I do and probably everyone that has posted in this thread when it comes to generalities with tires.

    As for the later post by someone about mold release agent, is it used for motorcycle tires or do they release just fine as is since the compound has oils and waxes in the mix. The rep was talking motorcycle tires and said no coating. Who do I believe? The guy who's there, sees the process and has no reason to lie about it. In fact if they did use something they would certainly want to reveal it for liability purposes. To get riders to scuff the material off the tires if it actually was there.

    Again, I'd rather make the mistake to be too careful with new tires than not. Far cheaper end results.
  4. erkmania

    erkmania I'll take better everytime

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    My bad. I wasn't clear about one of the tires. I was clear about the cracked slick, but I didn't clarify that the other tire was a Conti Road Attack 1 intended for my GS that was aged 5-years plus when I received it. That was the one I sent back with the distributor's blessing. I received an RA2 as a replacement after I shelled out the price difference. That company was quite obliging.

    Thanks for catching that.

    For more clarity, I will abide by the 5-year age limit on ALL new tires. I do, however, hold race tires to a shorter storage time limit. And, I don't dig cracked tires whatever the age; blessed or not.

    That's just me and I'm a scuffer.
  5. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    The tire rep wasn't talking "new tires" that were old and cracked, rather it was about tires on a bike. My dual sport tires will start to get those tiny age cracks within a year or so due to the drying effect of all the dirt/gravel road riding. Never had them crack enough to remotely come close to seeing any cord, but they do crack a bit over the time to replacement after about 4000 miles.

    That was really it.

    I will say if I was doing track time or roadracing I'd probably be a lot more attentive to age and hardness.

    I thank you for both your clarification and the opportunity to clarify my point. No way I'd buy a tire that had small age cracks!
  6. Tuna Helper

    Tuna Helper Rawrr!

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    Because it doesn't go in the mold, it goes on the tire before the tire goes in the mold.
  7. Butters

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    Don't get too excited, but we are now only 56 posts behind the last car tire thread. I'm going to put the over-under at March 1, 2014 for when we surpass it.




















    (yeah, yeah, I know a half dozen or so posts in here are mine)
  8. jmq3rd

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    So... do they don't do it or do they do do it?
  9. craigincali

    craigincali Just hanging around

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    I never had to scuff my Dunlop racing slicks...I have always had to scuff my street tires. Maybe something is different with the slicks...IDK?
  10. Salzig

    Salzig Been here awhile

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    Sounds like a confession...

    Hi my name's Salzig and I'm scuffer
    :lol3:freaky
  11. Lion BR

    Lion BR I'd rather be riding

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    Another interesting thread. What we learned from the real experts: There is no reason for someone to not be careful right after installing new tires. What we learned from reason: The scuffing myth or not a myth is a moot issue, since there are several factors that matter anyway when riding the initial miles with a new tire. Real conclusions: Like everything else, it is all in the wrist, and your mileage may vary. Or it is all in the fragile ego of a bluffing poster.
  12. markk53

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    No way. Do you have a clue how the tire is built and then molded? It is made up of a bunch of layers of rubber, belts, rim bead wires, more rubber bits, and on and on. It simply isn't something that would be done due to construction method. Besides, as I was informed, the chemical compound of the rubber makes the mold release unnecessary. The tire will pop out of the mold just fine. Again, this is motorcycle tires, not car.
  13. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    yep...

    My name is Mark and I even scuff my Chuck Taylors before running or riding with them!

    Oh! Shit! :eek1 I just confessed to riding in my Converse.... :hide Not in boots!
  14. SgtDuster

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    We don't care if it's mold release, vulcanization byproducts migrating to the surface, UV protecting agent or whatever. One thign is sure; I've touched some "greasy" new tires and a lot of folks experienced the same. It's not just a "myth".
  15. anotherguy

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    You big dummy. Check his profile,especially the part about occupation. How's that shoe taste?
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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

    Tuna builds tires for a living :deal
  17. C/1/509

    C/1/509 Why?

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    Nice. This thread just keeps on giving...
  18. GSWayne

    GSWayne Old Guy nOOb

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    This thread has 837 opinions and one piece of data. Could someone with slippery tires just duplicate the test I did so there would be ONE piece of data that shows how slippery a brand new tire is compared to one that has been "scuffed".

    If doesn't really matter if they make tires out of chewing gum or teflon, what matters if they they start out very slippery and quickly get less slippery after being used. Why will people argue for hours and not spend 30 minutes doing a measurement?

    If new motorcycle tires are sold in a dangerously slippery state I am surprised that no product liability lawyer has passed up the chance to dip into the deep pockets of the huge tire companies.

    BTW I am not advocating riding hard and fast on new cold tires, for the reasons mentioned by several people in this thread, but that is a different issue than if new tires come from the factory with a very low friction coefficient.
  19. Treadless

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    Wayne here is some "data". Two weeks ago I put new Michelin Commander II's on the FXLR. Dragging my fingers over the tread left a film on my fingers and there was a clearly visible wax like substance on the sidewalls. After putting tires and wheels back on the bike I did my usual ritual of wetting rag with lacquer thinner and wiping down the tread. After the wiping I did not get the slippery residue on my fingers and there was a noticeable increase in resistance when dragging fingers across the thread again. I tried some citrus based soap and a towel to clean up the side walls. No luck. I then resorted to a very stiff scrub brush and some very aggressive scrubbing to successfully remove the mystery residue. Taking out the bike for test ride cautiously testing the tires for a few miles to find a feel for them before "getting after it". End result, I didn't fall down so all was well with the world. :freaky

    No animals were harmed, no fancy instruments were used and some of the speed rules were obeyed during this testing. Oh and the ends of my foot pegs were slightly reshaped. :ricky
  20. Butters

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    I have to disagree with this assessment. An individual's experience IS data. And while I commend you for trying to bring some objectivity to this long debated subject, your test essentially had a statistically insignificant sample size. And at best could only shed light on those particular tires. Clearly, different tire companies have different compounds and different processes. And even within one tire company, they have numerous different tires made with different compounds and I would imagine different processes.

    Maybe no tire companies use mold release (even though a poster here works for a tire company and his company does);
    Maybe only some companies do;
    Maybe it isn't mold release but a tire preservative;
    Maybe it is some form of chemical leaching out of the tire;
    Maybe it is simply greasy hands putting tires on.

    While I have seen nothing in this thread to prove all new tires are slippery from mold release, I have seen plenty of "data" to indicate some tires may be slippery for some reason when new.