New to (living in) Mexico City - moto needed

Discussion in 'Latin America' started by m_p_w, Aug 6, 2013.

  1. m_p_w

    m_p_w Unfunempolyed

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    Hi all,

    Just moved to DF from NYC and wanted to reach out to any ADVers in the city (or anyone traveling through, for that matter).

    By way of introduction, I've been voluntarily funemployed for the past year, six months and nearly 20,000 miles of which were spent on my GSA between NYC and the northern edge of the Darien Gap. No ride report (poor form, I know), but it was a hell of a trip:

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    Prior to that small excursion, I was an investment banker for several years in New York and London. Largely inspired by experiences in Mexico and Central America, I made a fairly significant career redirection and now find myself consulting for a Mexico City-based microfinance bank.

    My wife is originally from DF and I've spent a bit of time here, so I know the city reasonably well. However, in an effort to keep my sanity in a place where I don't really speak the language and to hopefully find some folks to ride with, I thought it wise to reach out the ADV crew.

    Sadly, four motos in storage in New York ('12 GSA, '11 WR250R, '05 ZX-6R, and a '00 Super Sherpa) aren't doing me a bit of good here. This is a situation I intend to rectify quickly and was hoping for recommendations from the group on the right bike for DF. I'm not sure how long we're here, so I'm thinking something used and relatively inexpensive, say around $5,000. I don't know what the market is like here, so it would be great to hear any and all suggestions. If people know of motos for sale, that would be awesome too.

    Feel free to reach out, I'm looking forward to meeting folks.

    All the best,

    Matt
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  2. pax maac

    pax maac Been here awhile

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    Hey,

    You can start looking for bikes here http://motos.mercadolibre.com.mx/#D[H:true] It's like the mexican ebay. Asking prices are usually way high, but they expect you to haggle. I've bought a couple of bikes off there. Also check out segundamano.com.mx

    And, welcome :D
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  3. El Stigo

    El Stigo Hey Ese its EL STIGO

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    Do a temporary import on your preferred bike and ride the hell out of it.

    If you are in Mexico City I see NO REASON to limit yourself to the city since we have such a large playground literally 1-2 hours in any direction 360º.

    I ride my GSA (12) in the city all the time and it is my preferred method of transport. I own 4 bikes at the moment from a 650 to the 1200. Sits high, great protection and no one fucks with anyone I know on a GSA.

    Total cost to bring it down? Shipping to Laredo or your preferred port of entry, temp fee of $400 (refundable) and the processing fee of $45.

    If you are a US citizen all can be done on the internet.

    Seems much better than having them sitting in the dark till who knows!

    My thoughts.

    I see there are a few of you now in the City so lets figure a meeting point and date and have a few beers.

    Coyoacan plaza is a good spot.

    El Stigo
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  4. m_p_w

    m_p_w Unfunempolyed

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    Believe me, I've considered it and I would love to have one of my motos here; I'm not thrilled that they're sitting in the dark for months.

    Several issues however. I've driven between NYC and DF three times in the last 8 months (twice on my GSA and once in my wife's Fiat 500, guess which trip I enjoyed least..) and I don't think I could stomach another trip right now. Also, as I've just started a new job so taking a week to fly home and bring one of the bikes down (it probably would be the GSA) isn't doable. Shipping to TX unfortunately won't work as the bikes aren't all that easy to get out of storage and I'd want to be there if that were to happen, so if I were to go that route, I might as well ride it down myself.

    Also, said Fiat is currently temporarily imported and the thought of having to drive DF-Laredo-DF twice every six months is less than awesome.

    I've ridden my GSA a lot in DF and, I agree, it is a great bike for the city. I'm looking forward to exploring the surrounding area a lot more. So fare I've done the ride to Oaxaca, a trip to Valle and the ride to Acapulco; can't wait to see more! In fact, it's one of the things that I'm most looking forward in DF to relative to NYC.

    I just found out today that Yamaha sells the XT660 Ténéré here, a bike I rode extensively in Namibia and absolutely love. I'm giving serious consideration to expanding my budget to pick up a new one (~$130,000). That it's not available in the states makes me want to own one while I'm here (watch, they introduce it in the U.S. a month after I buy it here...).

    Sounds like a great idea, I'm excited to experience some areas of the city I haven't seen much of; Coyocan is one of them.

    Hope to catch up soon,

    Matt
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  5. Animo

    Animo Been n00b awhile

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    My 2 bikes are for sale (Super Tenere and F650gs), but they are here in Quintana Roo.
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  6. damasovi

    damasovi Long timer

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    amigo!! BIENVENIDO!!

    if you want friends for taste for dirth may I suggest our mexican forum, where everybody is welcome, http://www.motoviajero.com/ even do everyhitng is in Spanish, a lot of us do some form of English, so very fast you will find friends, and who knows maybe somebody has a bike for sale.

    Saludos

    Damasovi
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  7. garrydymond

    garrydymond Been here awhile

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    Welcome to Mexico City. SEnd me a PM if you need any help. Yjere are at least 4 of us now in Mex City so we getting together sounds good. I´ll see SalCar tomrrow and then let´s set something up.
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  8. MikeMike

    MikeMike Long timer

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    How about a GS1150A, 2002 model with about 78,000kms on it, some accessories and very good overall condition for $85,000 pesos?

    Not a bad deal for Mexico.

    Easy to buy, pick up, and ride home to DF.

    Sounds great, no?

    Well, once you investigate it, you find that the title isn't overly clear, the bike is plated from another state from the one it is being sold in. There are tenencias owing before you can even try to get it titled. Not such a great deal anymore, right?
    My point is that it is a minefield with used bikes, unless you have bought a used bike in Mexico before and know the ins and outs, be real careful before parting with your pesos.
    El Stigo is correct, get it shipped to the border (cheap in the US), get a Viva Aerobus cheapo airline ticket for the same destination as your bike.
    Ride it down. It's an easy, easy two day ride, once school goes back in traffic will be lighter, weather will be sweet, and you'll save a lot of money in the long run.
    With $6,000 US you are looking at bikes less than $80,000. That puts you into the used KLR territory, maybe you'll get lucky and get some sort of gray market old school airhead with shaky credentials and re-paint to match. You might get a well used Dakar 650 single if you get lucky.
    Read El Stigo's post again and reconsider.
    Just my 2cents.
    If you want some routing for the gulf coast, I'll be happy to share some very good riding routes, if you come over I'll show you them.
    Saludos
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  9. SR

    SR Long timer

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    Don't forget to mention, every gasket on the bike has been replaced with a bead of silicon sealant. :rofl
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  10. Airhead Wrangler

    Airhead Wrangler Long timer

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    Ha! Been there, done that.

    gray market... check
    old school... check
    airhead... check
    shaky credentials... check
    repaint... check

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    Mine only cost $4100US out of Guad. Minimal mechanical butchery which was pretty easy to set straight a long with some "creative" wiring that failed soon after I bought it, but was easy enough to fix. Electric red repaint was actually a pretty decent job. Owner was in a situation where he had to sell to cover his aging father's medical expenses. In general, there are good deals to be had on older bikes in Mexico and a few of them aren't totally flogged.
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  11. m_p_w

    m_p_w Unfunempolyed

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    Thanks fellas. Having thought about it for the past couple of days and taken a look at the current crop of new bikes, I think I'm actually going to hold off for a month or so (I hope, depending on which release date is to be believed) for a KTM Duke 390.

    Given what you guys have said--and what I had suspected--the used market is an interesting entity down here.

    I have some family at least tangentially connected to the moto industry in Mexico, so I'm hoping to get some sort of a "friend price" on the KTM. I know I'll probably still pay more than if I bought it in the U.S., but lower transaction costs (and respectively lower frustration) will probably make it a more pleasant experience. I'm also working enough that I'm not sure how much time I'll be able to devote to maintenance, and a warranty will be nice.

    All of that said, given how indecisive I've been around motos historically, in another week I may be back looking at used bikes. The 390 does seem to be the perfect bike for DF though, from what I've read.
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  12. El Stigo

    El Stigo Hey Ese its EL STIGO

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    Sure does...until you leave the city with the hottie wife or girlfriend and are on a Mexican highway with a Mexican 18 wheeler who`s driver who`s been popping pills for the last 48 hours to make his 2nd circuit D.F. to N. Laredo on your ass.

    Then there is that dirt road that noone told you about that you`d like to go explore...

    Find a good used bike in the US import it for about US$700 and resell it here when you leave or take it back....importing does not cancel the US status of the bike.

    There are a few 990 Adv`s, 800, older R12GS`s out there that will do the job.

    Send me a PM with your info and we`ll figure it out over a beer.

    La Cerveceria en Coyoacan is a great spot!

    http://www.lacerveceria.com.mx/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1

    El Stigo
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  13. salcar

    salcar Riding 4 Health

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  14. psychohawk

    psychohawk Been here awhile

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    @MPW ... seems a lot of people who live in country are saying the same thing ... might be worthwhile advice? :-)

    Heck, find a student to ride your bike to Laredo then import it ... you'll be out gas $$ and a plane ticket for the student, plus of course your expenses to/from Laredo.
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  15. Klutch

    Klutch gringo goatrider

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    I've been riding US plated motos in Mexico for the past couple of years and have never been asked for my temporary import paperwork. The sticker doesn't go on the bike like it does the windshield of a car or truck. The result is I no longer temp import the bikes. Just ride them whenever/wherever.
    Both our cars have the import permit for the length of or visas (3 years).
    Maybe others on the board have the same or different experiences. The federal district may be more strict.
    I've been ticketed on a bike as well as a car in Mexico by local trafico and by the federal police for speeding. Neither ever asked for my import permit, just my US driver's license.

    North of La Cruz de Huanacaxtle on Mex 200 we ride with some of the Nayarit state police who ride Yamaha Phazers and Suzuki DL650s. It almost seems like they own their own motos?? not sure since I really don't speak the language yet but they are fun to ride with. They always set up speed traps near La Cruz and use the motos for chase vehicles.
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  16. MikeMike

    MikeMike Long timer

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    How are your bikes insured?
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  17. Klutch

    Klutch gringo goatrider

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    Mine or the OP?

    Mine are thru ABA seguros until June 2014. When I talked to a USAA representative last month she suggested a different company that they work with. Might look at that closer when the ABA seguros expires.
    We need to figure out something else in 3 years since none of our vehicles will be allowed to be US plated under a residente permanente.
    Insurance down here is pretty tricky compared to the US in my mind. Any suggestions are welcome. :ear
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  18. MikeMike

    MikeMike Long timer

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    There are many options in insurance, in the two decades I have been living here and insuring bikes here,I have always gotten a good deal.
    Do you need to take all the vehicles out of Mexico once per year? How are you paying the registrations?
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  19. Klutch

    Klutch gringo goatrider

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    We do the yearly vehicle registrations online for both our SUVs. They are temporarily imported to Mexico until Aug/Sep 2013 when our residente temporal expires. (So no they don't need to leave Mexico yearly but we drive them back pretty often anyway.) 3 years from now we have to decide whether to nationalize the SUVs here or drive them to any border and sell them.
    Before that we'll probably buy a couple of Mexican cars/trucks here.
    Motos I'm not real worried about. Most of the guys I ride with ride normal motocross only bikes with no valid plates. Mine at least have non-current US plates on them and the law enforcement here pays no attention to them.
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  20. MikeMike

    MikeMike Long timer

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    So long story short, your bikes were never legally imported for use in Mexico, you are using out of date US registrations for them?
    Heads up, all bikes, in fact all motor vehicles will require liability insurance in the fall, liability limits have drastically changed to the higher end. If you try to insure a bike that is not legal in Mexico you are commiting fraud, if you are using an illegal bike in Mexico with no insurance you will be on thin ice. Mexican riders get away with all kinds of things, they also speak the language and have friends and relatives who can get them out of a jam.
    A bike that is illegal in Mexico can be confiscated at any time, producing proof of insurance that you know was fraudeuntly obtained is a criminal act.
    It is Mexico, there are laws, would you do the same thing in the USA?
    Law enforcement is going to be paying much more attention when the deadline passes for obligatory insurance.
    Whatever floats your boat.
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