New to me sidecar

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by sandsman, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. sandsman

    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    Just picked up this sweet sidecar for my bike. It's a Motorvation Formula II Flipnose. I am gonna attach it to a 2002 Suzuki Intruder 1500. If anyone has one of these, since this is my first sidecar, chime in and tell me about you setup.

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  2. karitoki

    karitoki Been here awhile

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    Congratulations on your find! I just bought an older Motorvation Formula II (non-flip) last week. I'm waiting on the company to send me information so I can see what parts I'll need to mount it on my GL1100. Do you have the manual or electric torsion bar control? Mine is manual. My thread is "Got It!". I'll be watching your progress with interest!
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  3. sandsman

    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    It has the electric motor to adjust the torsion bar, and mine came of of a Goldwing 1800. I looked at all of the parts and I am sure that I can adapt them for my application. I even got the steering stablizer too. All of the wiring, the unit has less than 12,000 miles on it and looks new. I really got a pretty good deal on it at $2,300. It sold for over $6,500 new i was told and by looking at the website, I believe it.
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  4. karitoki

    karitoki Been here awhile

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    Sounds like you got a great deal! :D Please post more pictures if possible. Gary at Motorvation is the guy to talk to on parts and pieces:deal. Good luck on your build! :1drink
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  5. sandsman

    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    It is home now......I want to go to work on it, but it's 32* outside.
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    Can't wait for a pretty day to get started. The tug is gonn be my 2002 Intruder 1500. More to come later
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  6. sandsman

    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    I also have a car tire ordered for the rear of the bike, 195/65-15. Going to the darkside.
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  7. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    15" car tires on motorcycle rims should be avoided. This discussion has come up many times.

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  8. sandsman

    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    Thank you Claude for your concern, the seating of the car tire is the most dangerous part, and the failures that you show are from overinflation to 2 to 3 times thier recomended inflation. I plan on lubing up the rim very well and not over inflating.
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    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    15" cycle rims are larger at th eseat than 15" auto rims. This can pose aproblem.. Other rim sizes are closer and seem to pose no problems. There have been some injuries over the years with 15" rims.tire combinations when inflating. There have also been reports of tire failures after the tire was installed most likely due to overstressing things during installation. The latter can be more of a concern than the former. I would feel guilty if thisi info wewre not posted and someone got hurt., Face it , sidecar tend to carry precious cargos.
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  10. sandsman

    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    Again, thank you Claude. I will take your concerns into consideration.
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    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    I did not dismiss it, I went and did more research and found that yes he is correct and Claude is an installer of sidecars and has alot of experience. So grasshopper, you missed my point. All of the failures involved overinflation, and yes the 15" car rim and 15" cycle rim are different. So he did not get ignored. Thank you Claude, I need all of the help I can get to be able to pull this off with the limited knowlege I have. I have read alot and luckly the guy I bought this from had all the books and set up sheet from the factory for the original install.
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  12. cleatusj

    cleatusj Dirt floor engineer

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    I have read that some have turned down the bead lock ridge to get a diameter that car tires will fit over.
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    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    I read that too while I was doing the RESEARCH that I was talking about earlier, and was accused of ignoring Claude.
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  14. FirstPath

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    I've got the same sidecar on my '85 Voyager and I'm running a cycle tire on the stock rear rim. I've got over 6K miles on that tire and it is do for replacing. I've thought about a car tire but haven't found too much info for the Kawi rim. I'll just replace it with another cycle tire and enjoy. It's not my primary bike and I'm sure I'll get a summer or two out of it at least before replacing.

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  15. sandsman

    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    I have a nearly new Pirelli MT66 Route 180/70-15 tire on it now, maybe it has 600 or so miles on it. I will run it out first before I replace it. I have a 12,000 mile trip planned an that was the inspiration for the car tire conversion. I found a intruder site that had a thread about running a car tire on intruders and read it all the way through. The biggest issue was the seating of the car tire. There was only one negative comment. One guy could not get his tire to seat, and that was the only negative comment. So the issue as I see it is being able to seat the tire. I am considering having my rim's bead lock shaved down a few thousandths, not enough to effect the structural integrety of the rim though, just to allow the car tire to seat easier. But like I said, first I'll get the car all set up and ride it for a while before I decide the course I will follow.
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  17. lemieuxmc

    lemieuxmc Banned

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    I don't know why you guys are so worried about problems with a car tire that doesn't fit properly on a 15" MC rim, I'm sure there are lots of guys who have had wonderful sexual experiences with Lorena Bobbit! :huh :freaky
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  18. sandsman

    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    For lack of a better way to put it, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and some peope are one so which one are you Lemieuxmc?

    All I was looking for is someone who has set up a hack on an Intruder 1500, and I get assholes crawling out of the cracks.

    So much for getting some useful help on here, I didnt post this in the "jo momma" or the "head explody" forums, and this is what I would expect there.

    Again, thank you Claude, you brought up a very valid point, and some folks go DS with 15" rims with no problems, and some do have problems.......ultimately I will have to decide if the risk is worth the gain.
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  19. DirtyDR

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    If you check the forum I posted they are dedicated to darksiding and have a wealth of information including a couple of spreadsheets with specific tire applications.
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  20. sandsman

    sandsman I ride more than some and less than others.

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    Thanks for the website address, i went and read up on it alot........seems like the assholes are in full flight on this issue. I am all for getting good info then making an informed decision. I know the pros and cons on both sides now. What i was really looking for was someone who has hacked a intruder 1500 with some pics or useful info as to setting this car up on my bike.
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