New to scooters, need some advice.

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by sbn, Oct 3, 2017.

  1. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    I have a 2007 650. The "power button" really just changes when it "shifts" I'd say it makes it feel.... 10% quicker accelerating. Just a seat of the pants feel. I use it occasionally at one particular blind intersection to squirt across the oncoming lane. It's not something that feels good for a long period of time.

    Not sure if these folks have a point of sale where you are, but I have the 42L topbox and am very happy with it. http://www.bestemusa.com/

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  2. Mudboot

    Mudboot Been here awhile

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    2012 near me $ 3600 3k miles ABS Trunk. Fair price? What are your thoughts, have a 2005 Reflex ,just thinking different..
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  3. Smaug1

    Smaug1 Been here awhile

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    Yes, I think so. I paid $4k for mine, higher priced area. Mine also had about 3k miles. No trunk.

    With the Silver Wing, you'd upgrade to fuel injection, ABS and the ability to genuinely cruise at 80 mph. It's no less good around town, except that it probably doesn't do as well on gas. (I get 55 here in the suburbs) I've had a couple of 250 motorcycles, and they were pretty gutless above 60 or 65 mph. You'd also have a 7 year newer bike.

    I bought one of those on the advice of a fellow scooterist on silverwing600.com. It's very good. Not as nice as a Givi, but it cost 1/4 too, when all's said and done. It's perfectly functional, just not as ...solid. Here's how it looks on my 'wing. (they're available painted for not much more.)

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  4. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    That's pretty much my assessment of mine too. Perfectly functional. Might have a bit of rattle. 07 burgman 650 here. I get 44-46 on the interstate. closer to 40 in the hills where the twistits live. Got it used for 2500, 6k miles.
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  5. Dismount

    Dismount Boring bastard

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    Just realize that year/bike was in an earlier post. woops lol
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  6. baloneyskin daddy

    baloneyskin daddy bikaholic

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    I'd be thrilled if my Wing got 55mph downhill with a tailwind. Its a steady 45 -47 and worse over 70mph. I do have the bigger Givi screen which I feel is a necessity due to buffeting from the stocker.It 's reliable and I got it cheap. Don't worry about looking for a newer one as they're almost unchanged since the beginning,just look for condition. I paid $1800 for mine with 9000 miles ,new battery ,tires and a new drivebelt under the seat.A couple nicks here and there ,otherwise real nice shape.
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  7. simbaboy

    simbaboy Lansing MBS

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    I currently own several Burgmans (my Wife and Daughters also ride).
    For two up touring--go with the 650.
    For solo--go with either one.
    The 'Power' button is to increase acceleration--I use it to pass or to show off.
    The Burgmans are excellent value. They are so much fun to ride especially the old 400 (silver in the pic below).
    Simba

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  8. Smaug1

    Smaug1 Been here awhile

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    Mine (Bestem topbox) has a bit of a rattle too. After looking at it and wiggling things around with my hand, I found that it just is not latched down against the rubber bumpers on the mounting plate tightly enough. If I stuffed some more rubber there, so that it was latching down against the mounting plate against some compression on the rubber, it wouldn't rattle any more. The top locks shut tightly, so it's not there.


    Simba, that is a nice fleet of Burgmen you've got there!


    What year Silver Wing is it? Pre-2011 models didn't have the O2 sensor in the exhaust, which I understand costs a few mpg of fuel economy. I had an '04 Silver Wing before, and it wasn't quite as efficient as this one is. A few more mpg if you're a heavy rider or are heavy on the throttle, a few more from the bigger shield... it all adds up.

    I thought of a Givi Airflow windshield for my Silver Wing, as I get the turbulent air right above my visor at expressway speeds with the stock one. But I realized most of my riding is around the suburbs. If I got a bigger windshield to route that air over me, I would not have any cooling air in through the helmet vent in the hotter months! Also, the fuel economy would go down and I'd get pushed around by swirling gusts coming off of semis on the expressway. Gotta compromise somewhere!

    I saw 61.5 mpg on my trip to the Smokies last week, going 35 mph for most of a tank. Never saw that high on the '04; never could quite crack 60 mpg.
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  9. Gurock1

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    The Burgman 650 is the most comfortable and perhaps the best riding of the bunch, but I'd never buy it. I've had a 2004 Silverwing, 2004 Piaggio BV 250, 2009 Burgman 650, 2006 Burgman 650, 2009 TMAX and a 2013 BMW C650. Both my Burgman 650s died at young ages. The 2009 Died at 25,000 miles from stopper bolt failure and was only eleven month old. Suzuki wouldn't honor the warranty becuase they said that I rode so many miles in eleven months, even though the warranty was one year unlimited miles. My 2006 Burgman 650 bought after the 09 as a used with 3k miles died after two years at 29k miles from the main electrical harness failing and another person I know lost hers to the same failure. I can't recommend Suzuki to anyone at least not the Burgman 650 model for sure.

    The Silverwing is Honda rock hard mine went 30k with only maintenance then I sold it to a friend. It's a little more cramped and has a weaker suspension and more uncomfortable seat then the Burgman 650. The BMW C 650 to me was the best ride of them all, and the prior poster who seemed to think that the Burgman 650 was lighter then the BMW c 650 is just wrong. Plus it's suspension is superior to every other maxi-scooter IMHO and it has more get up and go then any other maxi-scooter. It's worst sides are that the seat was not that comfortable for me, the seat is quite high if that's a problem for some to get on and off, and it had a recall problem with the cam chain tensioner. If you look at he BMW make sure the recall was done as the issue can kill the engine. I lost the BMW C 650 to a lady talking on her cell phone who drove into the back of it and totaled the bike. I bought the 2009 TMAX with the insurance proceeds and kept the difference. The TMAX wasn't on your list but I think I like it better then any of the others that I've ever owned. It handles better in turns, it's lighter, taller, better suspension, and it's only shortcoming is that it has a little less get up and go than the others. Around 95 MPH with a 275 lbs rider it's reached it's end and between 85 and 95 MPH it accelerates a little like a turtle. I modified it with the Dr. Pulley sliders and that helped a little. Now it can make about 100 MPH and accelerates a little better after 85 MPH. If you get a shot at a TMAX and you have long enough legs go for it.
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  10. Clampett

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    My brother and I both purchased '04 SW and in 2005 toured from Bama to the west coast hitting all the states N/S from here to there. We both got 57-62 mpg the whole trip pulling trailers with the one exception of 80+mph in NM where we only got 52 mpg. I also had the B650Exec which was always 47-56mpg with the same style riding, but minus the trailer. I've owned 28 bikes, 5 of which were scooters. Now I'm planning on a new scooter within a month and it will be either a SW, Forza, or a slim chance of the Xmax. Longer service intervals on the Honda bikes will probably win me back.
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    simbaboy Lansing MBS

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    Thank you. The Burgmans are such fun! The 650's are excellent for touring long distance.

    I am glad I have not had any issues.

    Simba

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  12. baloneyskin daddy

    baloneyskin daddy bikaholic

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    My Wing is an 02 . The stock windscreen was unbearable to me,so much so that I initially tried cutting it down to get rid of the buffeting. It definitely helped and even made it look sportier but its mainly my cold weather bike so I mounted the Givi. The Givi works great and the little ears that stick out on it actually keep a lot of rain and wind off of my hands. Fogging behind it can be bothersome though.I don't know what it is but damn near every bike I've ever owned with a windscreen ,except the little screens on sportbikes,have had buffeting issues.
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  13. Smaug1

    Smaug1 Been here awhile

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    Get a late model Silver Wing (2011 or later) or a clean used Majesty. They look as good as the 'wings, at least from the back. klaviator says they're geared better than Burgman 400s and aren't too frantic at highway speeds.
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    Found a dealer with a 2013 SW for just $400 more than his Forza's. Both being NOS.
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    Dismount Boring bastard

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    I may at some point be bothered by it to take it off and investigate. Maybe.

    For the cooling, Ive wondered about those vents goldwings have in their shields.
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    Smaug1 Been here awhile

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    They are excellent bikes, mature design, very low maintenance. Good performance; it takes a LOT before something drags on them. You should get one, before the dealer decides to wholesale them, just to get them off the dealer floor.
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  17. klaviator

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    I like my Majesty. Less power than a SW or B650 but also much lighter. 80MPH on the speedo is 6000RPM. I think the speedo is about 5 MPH high based on a friend with GPS pacing me. It runs comfortably at an indicated 90 and tops out just a bit past that. To preserve the motor I normally cruise at 6000 RPM or less. The downside of the tall gearing is it does feel slow off the line and at slow speeds. Brakes are unlinked which is a big plus for me but it was not available with ABS. The way the seat opens is a big plus for touring because you can raise the seat even with all kinds of stuff bungeed to the passenger portion.

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  18. fullmetalscooter

    fullmetalscooter Let me take this duck off

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    They work. You can buy replacement vents from crag vetter of vetter windjam fairing frame. The fairing that was on all bike from 1973-83. About 30 bucks a peace.
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  19. Andsetinn

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    I had lots of fun on rental Honda PCX 150 in Madeira couple of years ago. More than 200 km at full throttle up and down the mountain and it took under 5 liters to fill it. Indicated 160 Kph on the speedo. I prefer the smaller scooters since they are easier to slice through traffic. Since Denmark does not have Autobahns or the the miles wide American roads don't be afraid to look at smaller scooters like the PCX 150 and Burgman 200. You should also be able to find nice Vespas in varying engine sizes (tmp.dk).
    PS. If I remember correctly the Kawasaki J300 is a rebadged Kymco Downtown 300 so there should not be quality difference but there might be price difference.
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  20. Smaug1

    Smaug1 Been here awhile

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    I looked at Majesties based on your recommendation, but the ones I found were either pretty high mileage or very nearly the same money as a Silver Wing. So I didn't "get to" try a Majesty after all.
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