New Ural redoing PDI and timing adjust

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by kawzak, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. kawzak

    kawzak Adventurer

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    I just bought a new Ural patrol. I wanted to go over all th items on the PDI my self. found. valve adjustment incorrect ( if done at all). lots of loose items, idle too low, etc. My question is-with a timing light at idle it shows the timing flash between the BTDC and TDC marks. I would thing it should be on the mark with the BTDC. I marked the housing before rotating, but unable to get the BTDC in the middle.Whats up? or is this correct @ 2 deg. BTDC ?.
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  2. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    Are you doing it at the right engine speed?

    Used to be you couldn't trust the marks, and you'd paint some on yourself. With a new rig, I'd hope that's not the case. It's possible with everything else you've found that the timing plate is loose as well or has been incorrectly adjusted.
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  3. kawzak

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    this is a new ural with the Ducati Ignition. When you say timing plate, are you refering to the distributer ahead of the alternator? It is adjustable about 1/4' back/forth, but doesn't look like it chances the timing flash at marks (much if any). I scribed a line before rotating it any either way (loosen nuts rotate, lock down, check with timing light). I cannot get the BTDC arrow w/dot to line up with mark/line on block. It was set that light would flash at/between the arrows(right in the middle of them.
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  4. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    *scratching head* unless things have changed drastically, the timing plate is under the timing gear cover in the front. Rotating it SHOULD change the marks. If it doesn't, I'd guess your Hall effect sensor is not picking up the pulse from the rotor.

    I don't know the new ignitions, but I can't imagine how the advance would work any differently.
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  5. kawzak

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    Well dumb me, I think I am adjusting the alternator gear mesh adjustment. Good thing I scribed lines there. I thought this was the timing plate/distributer between the alternator and the motor housing. OK so the ignition plate is UNDER the cover at the front of the engine-at the top I assume. I was thinking the front cover came off with the oil filter housing-I did not look that close at it.
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  6. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Howdy kawzak,

    It sounds to me like your screwing around with the ALTERNATOR and its adjustment. A small piece of advise and I am NOT messing with you, if you don't know what your doing, do your self a real big favor and DON'T start changing things on a BRAND NEW RIG. Your just going to phuck something up and then you'll be back here bokading about how Urals are a bad.

    Seriously, join "Soviet Steeds" your going to get a lot more information there then you will here and you'll get it from folks who own and work on the rigs not folks who only bitch about them. If you don't know the alternator adjustment from how to set ignition timing are you SURE the valve lash was incorrect?

    Like I said if you don't know what your doing the chances of doing damage to the rig is quite high. As you have messed with the alternator adjustment there is a good chance you have now screwed up the gear lash between the timing gears. WHY are you doing these things on a brand new rig to begin with, the way your going I sure hope you don't start messing with carb adjustments, I am seriously NOT trying to give you a hard time, I AM trying to save you a lot of MONEY and down time if you phuck something up
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  7. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    No joke. Fourteen years ago, I thought my first Ural wasn't running right, and I went on a campaign of "adjusting" things until it wouldn't start at all :lol3
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  8. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Howling "Mad", Adventurer

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    Howdy All,

    I know it seems like I am giving the OP a hard time, its just that in the 6 years I have been involved with Ural's I can honestly say that at least 50 % of the problems people complain about are OWNER INDUCED.

    I f you don't know what your doing, if your not working under the guidance of someone who does, if you don't have a manual and finding a GOOD Ural manual is nearly impossible, if your not familiar with how a good running Ural sounds, smells and operates, "in my opinion" your just asking for trouble messing around with it.
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  9. windmill

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    It really sounds like you should get a better idea of how to do things before you continue.

    Check out these Youtube videos, they are a little outdated like the wheel bearing adjustment and air filter service, but will get you going in the right direction.
    http://www.sovietsteeds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8571

    Whats your location, maybe there is someone local to help show you the ropes. Who was your dealer?
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  10. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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    I totally agree. I've been working on motorcycles of all kinds for fifteen years now, and I still get perplexed by my lawnmower. Not because it's more complicated -- it's a simple BS four-stroke from a defunct manufacturer. Just because it's different enough from what I'm used to.

    Fortunately, there's no shortage of Ural maintenance guides online.
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  11. Montague

    Montague UDF Adventurer

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    Spend more time driving, less time tinkering.

    If it runs, run it, and enjoy.

    And develop a relationship with your dealer.

    PS. be very careful. The first time I tried a valve adjustment, I went by the torque specs in the manual. Turns out they are wrong and far too high. Once I asked my dealer and spent time in the forum such as Russian Iron and Soviet Steeds, I had the real information needed.

    Go for a ride.

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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  13. davide

    davide Been here awhile

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    "Your just going to phuck something up and then you'll be back here bokading about how Urals are a bad."

    Best line ever since I started hanging out here! :clap
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  14. davide

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    "... if your not familiar with how a good running Ural sounds, smells and operates, "in my opinion" your just asking for trouble messing around with it."

    Excellent description/advice: I had a few aircooled VW buses back in the days and always trusted my senses to help me understand/tune the beast. Amazing what smelling/touching around the engine can tell you...
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  15. kawzak

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    OK, I have taken my whippin. I could of just wait for the manual, would have been easier-But I was asking advice ( and I would still pick through that) because the manual is still 3-4 days away-and my wife and I want ride this weekend some. I am not about to screw something up (may have come close with the alternator), and don;t just tinker for the hell of it. I have overhauled hundreds of motors over the last 40 or so years. Even though I may have come across as ignorant I figured asking would get me some answers instead of a bashing. So far I have retorqed the heads, set the valves, set the timing, synced the carbs, greased/oiled where needed. It runs much better now, timing was off and carbs were very far. dealer did a pencil PDI, and I expected as much.For those who tried to help I appreciate it.
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  16. J-Dub

    J-Dub Combat Commuter

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    Whoa, who's your dealer? Go ahead, toss his (her) worthless ass under the bus. Then head over to Soviet Steeds. Lots of good Ural-centric advice. Don't take the whooping' personally. These guys just don't want you to fuck up your ride. Given the pencil-whipped PDI, I can see why you'd be digging into it. Good luck. You've got friends here (but you'll have more at SS).
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  17. kawzak

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    Thanks J-Dub. I really enjoy this forum, and the information. I did beat the dealer up some after I told them what I found. I also told them they need to follow the factory PDI-if they are going to keep selling Urals-(which I don't think they are going to order any more. I believe they just tryed to see what happens. Their bread and butter is Italian sport bikes. Never the less after I ate their a$$ out, I did suggest if they were going to sell/handle Urals-they need to get a different attitude about them.We will see.Oh and on the other forum. Many ties when I am on it if I go to a specific thread-it may cut me off.That is one reason I am on this one alot. Thanks again.
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  18. AlanCT

    AlanCT The Byronic Man

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    Where are you, Kawzak? You should be able to find a seasoned Uralist who is happy to do some wrenching with you.
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  19. davide

    davide Been here awhile

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    I don't think anyone meant to bash on you... Reading your first posts (several of them with different issues vs. keeping everything in one spot and being more clear about your skills) many inmates probably thought that you were a fairly inexperienced new owner and tried to save you from screwing up the machine. Now it is a lot clearer that you were handed a bad set up and have corrected it properly...
    Best wishes with your new rig! Keep sharing your experience, also I, for one, would love to see pics of the rig and even pics of the work you performed or you will perform in the future... AdiĆ³s 4 now.
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  20. kawzak

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    Thanks for the feed back. I am in south central Texas. My rig is running better and better now, as I am putting a few more miles on. Sounds better too. The next thing to do is shorten/machine the too-long blinker stems. Like other bikes I have had these just beg to get bent or broken, especially if I go off road any-which eventually I will. Thanks again.
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