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Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by eakins, Aug 13, 2011.
Anyone heard from DittyBag? IDontWantAPickle, are you doing Lockhart tomorrow?
Most likely yes. Longer post later, but Snow peak road was a total cakewalk and I'm feeling confident. I'm in Blanding today, going to camp out at the Library once it opens and do a picture post, head out to needles sometime around 5pm and camp there for the night. I'll get started on Lockhart at first light tomorrow.
Thanks for the input. It looks like there is a section that's right next to the river and has a path down to it, although it's near the end and past the Hurrah pass.
I did Snow Flat yesterday, and it was total cake! As much as the hoon inside me wanted to blast through that hundred-something feet of silt sideways throwing a giant rooster tail behind me, I took the safe route and duck-walked it through without problems.
This is an amazing post and exactly the information I was looking for.
I'm full ATGATT, even though it's mostly mesh I'm still wearing big heavy boots and have some idea what to expect from the heat. I did Monument Valley yesterday and while it was sure noticeable (~100F according to my weather app), it was survivable and I got through it without problems. I bought a couple extra 3-liter jugs that fit well into my saddlebags, bringing the total amount of water I'm carrying to 11 liters. I can also set up just the rainfly for my tent if I'm in a situation where I have to stop and need the shade.
From a riding perspective I feel I'm pretty comfortable with the stuff you list, I ride this thing on single-track with some regularity and these knobbies seem to have done well in the sand for the last couple days. I've been in a few places on this trip and prior riding where you need to pick a line and go for it, there was one long-ish climb on the northern-most "Expert" section of the NM BDR that was lose softball-sized rocks with the occasional beachball-sized boulder thrown in for fun.
The step-up, you mean at 3:10 into the trailer? Or the guy who wipes out at 6:01? If that's the worst of what I'll have to deal with then I'm pretty comfortable tackling this, there's way worse than that on the single-track around Denver (granted, I didn't have luggage on when I rode that).
Yup, going solo. I'm 33 and pretty damn fit, it's been in the 100s for the past couple days and I've been okay (Although stopping to pee every hour gets annoying). My plan is to head up to Needles and camp in the area tonight, then start the Lockhart at the very first light of dawn on Sunday. With any luck I'll get to Moab by mid-day, resupply and head up into the mountains for the evening.
I've got a Garmin Inreach with a couple friends in the real world monitoring my progress, and instructions that if they haven't seen me move there for more than a few hours to message me and if I don't respond, organize a rescue.
And honestly, if I get to something and it just looks too sketchy I've got no shame in turning back.
FWIW, none of the caution expressed here is a reflection on your odds, but rather the stakes.
Made it through. There were quite a few places where my first thought was "Bullshit, you can't take a motorcycle over that." And then I did.
1. What bike (so all of us don't have to look)?
3. Pic of bike with gear please.
4. We'd like to see more pics of the ride. Some of us are well past ever getting to do that again.
5. Any more stories you'd like to tell here or did you do a RR?
6. If you have time, fit in The White Rim Trail (much easier, 150 mile loop). It and Lockhart are the cream of the Canyonlands.
Pick back through the last couple pages, I've been asking about it a bunch. KTM 690 Enduro with a full load of luggage.
I've got a ride report thread you can find through my post history. More details later when I get my laptop out.
Damn, you were loaded up.
Hey Barton, sorry that I disappeared. After a full set of dehydration symptoms, I bailed and went to COBDR. It just wasnt much fun. Much better in CO. Detoured and did Immogene, she didnt mind. Met some other awesome riders too.
Good to hear from ya! Sounds like you made the right call and got some great riding in. Safe travels on your epic trip!
Glad to hear you're OK.
I bailed on Lockhart on my 1190R when I was doing the UTBDR with Bartron. I'm an average rider and 104 F and narrow trails with steep drop offs dissuaded me shortly after we started to climb the mountain out of the basin.
Went to Moab Brewery and tracked him on my InReach instead. Kind of like reality TV. With a beer!
He's a very skilled and fearless rider on his 990 Dakar, and is always game for a challenge, but he had some tough times on that section. Dehydration and heat exhaustion were the big ones. I think he was pissing crystals when he made it to Moab. He got through it, but told me I definitely made the right call.
The sections of the UTBDR north of Lockhart were good and worth revisiting at some time, once you get past the sandy bits. The highway up by Bald Mountain was spectacular.
We did the COBDR two years ago. That was a great trip. Just remember to stay hydrated at altitude. Apparently you lose water at twice the normal rate above 6,000 feet. DAMHIK!
Happy to hear you made it safely to Moab. Does give you a nice sense of accomplishment, no? Hat off to those who've done it on a big beemer or similar.
Seriously, I can't fathom taking a big bike over that. Mad props to the people on big bikes, especially that nutjob who did it on a V-Strom. I've had two Wees and I wouldn't even consider it on them.
Aside from the set-ups and step-downs that people have talked about earlier in the thread, easily the wackiest part of it for me was going down that ridiculous canyon that I posted a picture looking down above. I've got more pictures that I'll post later, but it's maybe 500 feet long and consists of three very rough drop-offs separated by steep and lose sand/rocks with no place to land/bleed off speed.
And as people have said, I'm quite confident this route would be impossible north-to-south on anything but a stripped-down race spec dirt bike with a full foot of suspension. Maybe even a trials bike, some of those drop offs and hill descents would be utterly impossible to go up on anything that has a headlight.
You know, it does seem that way when you're riding it on a smaller or a mid-sized bike, but then when you're actually stoopid enough to do it on a bigger bike, it's quite doable. Local couple did it N to S on a Tiger, two-up -- she got off at the crux in the canyon.
Here's my buddy (I cut off the head 'cause he's that ugly) coming up into the canyon you describe above on his 950 SE.
Me coming up the crux in the same canyon. Note the great posture, the attack position:
Me looking at how it all went wrong:
OK, that was all on a winter's day when we were just messing around out there, not on a luggage laden long tour. But it had rained and everything was super lose - hard to find any traction on that crazy ass climb.
Here, in 2015, is the other friend who broke his leg earlier (didn't know it at the time), riding (sort of) his KLR down the crux:
Fast forward to 2016, same buddy from the first picture making a decent attempt at it, this time on his 990 (did I mention that he's not only ugly but has been cursed with short legs?):
Mine. Fully loaded 950SE.
Jeeze, you guys have more balls than I do. Perhaps if I was luggage-less and with a group, and it was the middle of winter I MIGHT think about trying it the other way but no way solo and with luggage on my 690. You people are loony for doing it on those beasts!
Balls? Na, just stupidity. First time I went, was told that it's not all that bad, that there's only one little spot that will get your attention. By the time I realized that it's no White Rim Trail, too late.
step 1) disassemble bike
step 2) Hike parts up
step 3) re-assemble bike and ride off.
camping mid trail is acceptable.
ya, that's a bit nuts with a bigger bike and a load.
Just finished last week on an Tenere.
Here's the report for those who are interested.
Anyone know for sure if the La Sal Mountain Loop road road construction closure near Castle Valley Rd. is still open on weekends? Or is it just closed like the UTBDR website claims?
Yes I hit that close road 2 Monday's ago...