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Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by eakins, Aug 13, 2011.
Thanks for the update Ryan. Do you know if the La Sal Loop RD was closed?
Yes... the bdr folks aren't kidding when they warn "impassable when wet." We have gotten nailed on the cobdr with impassable mud as well.
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A portion of la sal is still closed. Btwn moab and hi way 128 (onion creek I think). My partner did it anyway Klr.
He got lectured by the road crew. But let him pass. I didn't do that section. I had blown both forks and was tired and pissed.
So living is Salt Lake and being able to bounce around and ride the sections when I get a chance here are a few thoughts.
1. Like a few others have said the mud in the southern sections will take you out and make the ride a nightmare if it rains. Do not try to ride these areas when it rains. I have been caught in a few surprise storms and it does not take much for the roads to go from a nice hard pack to a mud that will pack into ever nook and cranny of your bike. Also jamming any moving part.
2. Expect snow pretty late into the season. On a good snowfall year there can be high elevation snow until end of May into June. I personally wouldn't attempt this until the fall. Around this time of year. If you go early there will be high elevation snow. Go in the summer and you will fry in the Moab area. High temps in Moab can come fast and early. To give you an idea I was riding back from Telluride in late June and it was 106F in Moab.
3. Don't skip the northern section of the route. It seems like a lot of people just ride the southern sections. Which is great and boy do you ever see some of the most stunning sights in the US. Yet there is just something about going from the desert red rocks area to high in the mountains and seeing some amazing peaks all on one trip.
4. If you're worried about Lock-hart basin and the La Sal Pass skip them and make some time up get to Moab and spend a day on the white rim trail. You will have been very happy that you did. Even if you do them try to make time for the white rim. Just make sure to get a permit and to check and make sure that the route is open all the way through. During high water times its closed about 70mi down the route.
5. There isnt a lot of tough deep sand along the route. It is the desert so expect to come across some. Nothing that is manageable.
6. Have fun its a gorgeous route take the time to enjoy the views and take lots of pictures.
Suppose I'll add another "me too" to the thread. And to the KTM 690 solo riders list.
Started Friday morning at about 10am from Monument, wound up at the Idaho border at about 5pm Monday Evening.
La Sal was definitely exciting, but entirely doable. I skipped Lockhart, and kind of wish I hadn't now. Somehow in my mind I cemented "Lockhart = expert" and forgot the rest.
I did find a gas station called The Big G which would remove the need to bounce out to Soldier Summit for most folks. Might be worthy of note to save a detour.
My first big ride on the 690, outside of LAB2V last year (which was amazing, and I'm definitely doing again.) and I'm absolutely in love with the bike. Plenty of times I came up on something and figured if I slowed down I was definitely in trouble...so why not just add more throttle? And damned if that didn't fix the problem.
The only issue I had was route finding. My GPS (Zumo 590...had it from road days and figured it'd work fine) decided it would eat the track logs and refuse to do anything aside from route me on asphalt. So there was a lot of adventuring in circles and checking the paper map. One time I ended up WAY off route on some long disused track that made La Sal look friendly, wound up behind an elk hunter on a quad who wasn't too pleased to find me in his particular slice of nowhere. He gave me directions back to the main FS roads anyway. Good times all around and definitely looking forward to doing some of the other routes.
That is an impressive time pnewb. I had the same issue with a Zumo on my first adv ride and turns out the zumo accepts the tracks but changes them to a route which is a completely different monster. I ended up getting a Garmin Montana and works much better with tracks. Needless to say I learned more about GPS's after that first ride than I ever wanted to know. Good luck!
MULEY POINT ROAD---Rode this on Sept 4 and it has a LOT of silt. Passable on smaller bikes but much harder on big bikes. A person in our group ended up breaking his ankle on his 1090R in a silt bed. BE CAREFUL!!!
I have the 390 and have played the same game with re-routing. There's a couple things I've learned. First, start the route AFTER you've passed the "Start" point of your route and say "route to end". Make sure you've shut off the "auto reroute" in the settings. This helps, but doesn't totally cure it. Second, when you convert Tracks to a Route, and display the Route, go back to Tracks and select "Show Track" from the side menu. Both will be on the map screen. Then, you can compare the route you're on with the original track. It has been a looooooong and frustrating learning curve.
We did the UTBDR last month and had a blast. I just finished a video of part 1 UTBDR. We did the COBDR right after it as well for a 12 day fun filled adventure.
Brings back a lot of memories. Did the same loop several years ago, had a blast.
Nice video. Thanks for sharing.
Same here - I have Zumo 590 and found it easier to just follow the track shown on the map (with the right color), rather then creating a route from the track.
Yup, it's been 4 1/2 years since I did it on a 990 Adventure and I can spot a lot of changes in the terrain. Some places that I recall as easier now look more difficult, wonder if it's just aging. Great video.
Has anyone done the Butler Map road through the very northern section of Uinta-Wasatch Cache and Ashley National Forest from Salt Lake City up to Evanston, WY and east to Dutch John in mid May? Runs parallel to the Wyoming border to Flaming Gorge National Park. I know it is way east of UTBDR.
How's snow pack and general conditions in mid May ( green track )?
How early in season can I take on this segment?
Green segment from Evaston to Dutch John.
Hate to say it, but it's just too early in the season to make such a prediction. There's been very little snow so far out here in Western Colorado and Eastern Utah, but that may change (hoping it will, for agriculture and ... nature).
I'd advise you to have plan a B,C and D available and just be prepared to go with the flow as conditions dictate and have a fun attitude about the need to stay flexible.
Thanks Colorado Uli.
Was going to explore that portion last year. Please let me know what you find in that area.
I've done this stretch in the Uinta-Wasatch Cache National Forest from Kemmerer, WY to Dutch John back in Oct. of 2016. On DAY 10 & 11 of my ride report . You can find it at http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/3-weeks-in-rockies-on-yamaha-wr250r.1177560/page-3
Good portion of it is Forest roads. I just don't know when roads are clear of winter snow pack. I'll keep checking. Emailed the closest park office to find out. I understand pretty popular in winter with snowmobile crowd.
I've done that route off Mirror Lake highway over to Dutch John and beyond to Baggs Wy to hook up on the COBDR.. We are having a really mild winter but even at that the Uinta Mountain range get lots of snow.. Mid may will be to early to make that route
Sounds like you've been on that very segment that runs along the northern border of Utah. Sounds like mid May might be too early. I remember it was remote and higher elevation. Guess I need to double check my Topo and advise my wingman to come up with more southerly route.
If you haven't already stopped at Red Canyon Lodge before near Rt. 44 and US-191, you should check it out on next trip through. Nice place.
Many thanks for tip.
Here's brief run down of the route we took: The connector route over to CO started at the Bear River /East Fork 058,073, China meadow, Hoop lake , Spirit lake scenic hwy, hwy 44 to Dutch John Flaming Gorge and beyond
Theres other options to cut over to Dutch John of Hwy 150 staying north through Wyoming.. I've done this route also.. I can walk you through it if needed and it it would be passable during May