Nikon Cameras: D5100, P7700, or V1-V ???

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Which Nikon camera would you choose, and why?

  1. Nikon D5100 SLR

  2. Nikon P7700

  3. Nikon V1 V

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  1. rocker59

    rocker59 diplomatico di moto

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    Typical Tech-overload going on in my camera shopping...

    Wanting something better for everyday use than my current Nikon S8100.

    I used to shoot pro-quality Nikon SLR film equipment, but never upgraded to digital SLR.

    So, D5100. P7700. V1 V. Which would you choose, and why?

    :ear
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  2. rocker59

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    No Nikkorphiles up in this house?
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  3. NikonsAndVStroms

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    Sorry took me awhile to see the big Nikon symbol in the sky :lol3

    What have you been using the S8100 for (wide angle, telephoto, sports, etc.) and if you could improve aspects of it what would help you the most?
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  4. rocker59

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    I use the S8100 and S4000 for all-around shooting.

    I like having wide angle at the low end of the zoom.

    Shot-to-shot speed is important since horses and motorcycles are moving subjects.

    Size and weight are a possible consideration. Going to an SLR will probably remove one-handed shooting while moving.

    The S4000 has a pretty horrible focusing ability, and takes seconds between shots.

    The S8100 isn't bad, but ergonomically, is hard to hold and shoot with one hand. My old 7900 actually rocked for using while on the go.

    The D5100 appears to be discontinued and is on sale. It has a moveable screen and obviously has the ability to use F-mount G-series lenses.

    It would be nice to have better control over depth of field. Low-light focusing ability is a pretty big consideration.

    I'm curious to know if the 1 V1 is a good halfway point between P&S and SLR, or if it has too many compromises.

    I'm at the point of being willing to deal with the size/weight of the D5100 in order to have better control and better glass.

    In the past few years, I've sold my film equipment off. F3, F4, F100, and a box full of killer glass...
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  5. NikonsAndVStroms

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    :tb I don't shoot film much but I still want one of those, it would be great having a film camera with similar controls to my DSLRs.

    I think the P7700 seems like a good step up from the S8100 but it's going to be just that and lack the image quality and expandability of the other systems.

    I can't comment on the V1's AF too much because I have very limited experience with it but it's supposed to be decent and will be a major step up from your current cameras (it has a phase detect system built into the sensor) but I don't know how that'll compare to the D5100's. Though for longer telephoto work the bigger DSLR will likely be a more stable platform to shoot from.

    The big drawbacks you have with the V1 are a lack of lenses (though more and more are coming out) and limited low light performance compared to the D5100. For example if you want a nice fast telephoto you need to get a DSLR, the V1 has basically a kit lens and that's it.
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    If you want camera control and low light shoot-ability then you really need a good DSLR with very fast glass. Thats a whole other discussion.
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  8. rocker59

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    The AI glass I had isn't compatible with any but the highest end DSLRs. And then, you're still in manual focus... I kept the stuff for several years with no use before selling it off last year. Bought myself a super-rare 1991 Moto Guzzi Lemans with the proceeds... (I did keep a couple AI-S lenses and one film body, an FG. The FG isn't worth any $$$, but works just fine. I do miss having the Fs around, but I wasn't using them)...

    The DSLRs that are under $1000 (like the D5100) require G-series AF lenses. They won't even use the D-series AF lenses, of which I actually still have a few. 28mm f2.8D and 50mm f1.8D. Maybe more...

    There was a day when I would spend the price of a month's salary on a lens or camera body. Those days are long gone. I just don't have the commitment anymore, since I don't do it for money.

    The D5100 body is currently $449. I could pop for a nice prime lens like the 35mm f1.8G to get me started.

    On the other hand, the P7700 has a 28-200mm f2-f4 lens, and is the same price.

    I think I've ruled out the 1 V1. Small sensor, as mentioned. And, a whole 'nother set of lenses to collect.

    Choices, Choices:
    1) The P7700 might still be useable as a pocket camera.
    2) The D5100 (with nice glass) sounds like a kick-ass camera...
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  9. NikonsAndVStroms

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    Thanks to the holiday sales that's no longer true......check out the D7000:

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/735300-REG/Nikon_25474_D7000_DSLR_Camera_Kit.html

    It's even $3.05 under budget :clap:clap

    Also IIRC the D5100 will use D lenses, just it wont be able to AF.
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    who cares. do you want to take pictures or do you want to dick around.
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  11. rocker59

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    I've taken some nice "dicking around" photos over the years...

    [​IMG]

    But since I have a few cameras already that suit that roll. Maybe it's time to get back into the SLR game...
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  12. rocker59

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    Thanks for the input, folks.

    Chose to go with a P7700 now, and probably will add a D7000 later, in order to use some of my existing D-series lenses.

    :thumb
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  13. CRP6001

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    I used the similar P7000 as my main camera for two years.
    A bit to thick for most pockets. When I added the WC-E75A
    ultrawide attachment lens I needed a camera bag to carry it.
    I kept all my F-mount lenses, including a 16mm Fisheye and
    a Nikkor UD 20mm. I considered the D7000, and realized I
    would need a DX ultrawide. They offer two of these, the 10.5
    fisheye and the 10-24 zoom.
    Nikon D7000 and 10-24 zoom =1695.95
    Nikon D600= 2096.95
    I think DX glass is a bad investment, so I went with the D600.
    I didn't need to buy any lenses, so the D600 became the cost
    effective long term choice. CRP
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  14. NikonsAndVStroms

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    Have you had any dust issues? Lots of videos are cropping up online but I'm wondering if this is a design or random manufacturing flaw.
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  15. CRP6001

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    We discussed this in the D600 thread.
    My D600 does have some dust, but it
    does not show up in normal situations.
    If I stop way down, f22 or f32, and photo-
    graph a blank sky I can see some specks.
    I have set the sensor cleaner to operate
    on start up/shut down. If it gets worse, I
    will have the sensor cleaned, but for now,
    I'm not going to worry about it. CRP
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  16. NikonsAndVStroms

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    Doh, my memory sucks sorry bout that, just been reading a bunch of websites talking about it the last week.
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  17. rocker59

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    Why?

    We're not going back to film.

    Do you think sensors will get larger and negate the need for the DX-optimized glass?
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  18. soboy

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    Get the D5100. It has a bigger and better sensor and will have noticeably better IQ than the other two. I have had the D3100 for almost two years, and the more I shoot with it, the more I like it. I also have a Lumix LX-3, which is a high end compact with a great lens. Once I learned what the D3100 can do, there is no going back to a smaller sensor camera.
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  19. CRP6001

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    Sensors have already gotten larger !!!
    I have never cared for the crop factor.
    The F-mount was designed for a 24x36mm image area.
    DX would be a bad investment for me, because I work
    a lot with wide lenses. Many DX camera owners want to
    upgrade to FX, but their investment in DX glass is holding
    them back.
    Digital photography means freedom from the tyranny of
    lab bills and dark room work. I am definately not going
    back to film.
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  20. rocker59

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    Just compared the specs on the D600, D7000, and D5100, and was surprised to see that the sensor was right at 24x36 on the D600. 15.6x23.6 on the other two. I was real put off by the DX format and it's magnification factor ten years ago when the camera bodies first started coming out and you had to multiply the lens length by 1.4...

    I, too, shot a lot of wide-angle stuff. Now, though, wide-angle is much less of a requirement for me. If I can get down to 28mm eqivalent, that's usually plenty.

    P7700 is on the way. Will look at adding an SLR after the 1st of the year. I'm liking the fact that the D7000 body can be had for under a grand, and can use D-series glass. But, the D5100 seems like a lot of camera for half what a D7000 costs. I just don't see myself spending two grand on a D600 camera body, though it does look like a good one...
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