Ninja 400

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by RCmoto, Jul 13, 2017.

  1. DavidM1

    DavidM1 Unicorn hunting

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    Yes, they ought to be sharing this engine around.
  2. cyclopathic

    cyclopathic Long timer

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    More interested in it being shared with Versys X myself.
  3. YJake

    YJake Wrenchin'

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    Or a Z400RS :evil.

    I've been waiting on Kawasaki or Yamaha to release a naked version of their small twins for years and Yamaha does but doesn't import it into the USA.

    If they make them retro styled, all the better to me. I like that new Honda but I don't want a single. I want the new Kawasaki 400 or Yamaha 320 twins in a modern classic.

    How hard would this be for Kawasaki to do this? They'd be reaching back to their heritage like with the RS. A LOT of people cut their teeth on an old KZ400.
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  4. TonyKZ1

    TonyKZ1 Been here awhile

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    ^^ What year is this KZ400G from and where is my time machine?? ;-)
  5. 11motos

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    Well,
    Even if you find a 100lbs rider with functional arms and legs and hopefully not too sick to ride! ... lol... that is 1/2 of the weight on the honda yet the kawa still has a 5.3% higher power ratio.
    That is why I used the same 200lbs rider weight. It is not really fair since the kawa is one department above in engine and power but since you brought it up.

    I think the CB is still a fine bike for commuter / urban use but on the highway/trips is going to struggle. I suspect honda is not making a 350 or 400 version of this since they have the
    wonderful CB 500 that is as smooth as silk and with a beautiful torque curve. Maybe in the future the will shave some weight from the CB 500. I m just guessing.
  6. cyclopathic

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    Well if you are a girl recon 100lbs isn't too sickly and 400cc won't get you left behind on group ride. And most bikes in US parked in suburbs not cities, so some type of weather protection is desirable.. just saying.

    Yes EX400 slots nicely between CB 300 and 500, from pricing/weight/power, they will be cross-shopped along with R3, 390 Duke and RC. On higher end there're tons of middleweights to choose from.
  7. Super Sneaky Steve

    Super Sneaky Steve B@nned Club :D

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    55lbs is a huge difference for any motorcycle. It's an even bigger difference when you're talking about bikes that are already light.

    You can do all the mental gymnastics you want but 55lbs is still 55lbs.

    A gallon of water is 8.34lbs so it would bike like riding with 6 and a half gallons of milk on the back of your bike.

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    How's that for mental gymnastics?:lol3
  8. 11motos

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    No doubt is a difference but the problem is it came at a cost. No fairings, no wind proection, smaller tank.
    I am sure they can even make it lighter but at what cost? That is the issue too.
    This is a world of trade offs.
  9. Mr.Black999

    Mr.Black999 Been here awhile

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    WR250X was 295 lbs and 30 hp sounds even better than the Honda if we are going for asinine comparisons.
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  10. cyclopathic

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    That's alot of milk but you know what? if it is a gallon of gas I would take all of them anytime :)

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  11. liberpolly

    liberpolly Nu, shoyn, nudnick!

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    It's not just about power to weight ratio, lighter bike handles better, other things being equal. That's why Ninja 300 is such a joy to ride.
  12. 11motos

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    I didn't bring up the power to weight ratio discussion. All I did was to post some more realistic data with a rider on top of each bike to be able to see the actual variance.

    IMO, fun is a subjective measure but I agree if the Ninja 300 is fun then the 400 should be as fun or even more furn with that bit more of power and torque.
    Less weight, more power and a great price .... there is no reason to believe it will not sell well. After all, they appeal to the same customer base.
    Now the real question for the other makers is, why would anyone buy a 300'ish when a 399cc well made and well priced bike is available?

    Many will run out of excuses real quickly to avoid buying the little 400 ninja. IMO the only thing that is going to keep them for selling them is that they cannot probably make them fast enough.
  13. liberpolly

    liberpolly Nu, shoyn, nudnick!

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    The only thing that can hurt them is killer deals on leftover Ninja 300... I assume they planned on thinning the supply in advance.
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  14. cyclopathic

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    The Kawasaki US site list 2018 Ninja 300, so 400 will be a 2019 model. I am guessing there will be killer deals on 300.

    Interesting how much price hike to expect? +$300 like in Canada? This puts non-ABS model $200 less and ABS $100 more than 390 RC. $100 less for non-ABS than Duke.
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    I think some people are going to get amazing deals on the ninja 300 and probably some of the other brands too. Most likely this will be a great year for someone to
    get a 300. I am sure the competition are already working in their new "390" bikes, R3 with 421cc, etc.... .... just history repeating itself over and over again.
  16. liberpolly

    liberpolly Nu, shoyn, nudnick!

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    CB300R's US weight is now listed as 322 lbs.
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  17. 11motos

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    US, donuts, mcDonalds, .. you know. lol
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  18. cyclopathic

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    This is good because besides being toot as beginner bikes they make good commuters and fun weekend canyon carvers. Lightweight, fun engine, budget suspension which works reasonably well and inexpensive to improve. You could use it for light touring though Versys X is a better choice for that for a few extra hundred bucks.
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