No-Can_Do can't title dirtbike in WY, even if plated in MI already

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  1. JayDub

    JayDub Havin Fun

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    Well, well. The WY legislature made a law a few years back that allows 4 wheelers and side-by sides to get MPV plates to go on all the roads in WY except the interstates. They don't meet Federal DOT standards but they do it this way.

    HOWEVER, don't try this with a dirtbike without that sticker! Don't try this with a plated and titled dirtbike out of state. You see, I have a titled and plated (with current registration) dirtbike that I went through the process in Michigan to make it street legal. I had to have a police officer inspect the vehicle to make sure it meets DOT rules before I could title and plate it. I have moved to WY and to my surprise they won't title it nor plate it for me here. I called a man in WYDOT in Cheyenne who is in charge of all this and he says without a federal sticker showing compliance with Federal DOT regs, it can't be licensed here. But 4 wheelers can? He tells me yes they can even though they don't meet the DOT standard. What bureaucratic hypocrisy!

    I have a Yanmar 2v78 v-twin diesel engine I want to put into a motorcycle. I can build a bike around that and get a state VIN legally. Since I TIG weld I asked if I could cut the frame off my dirtbike and build a new bike from some of those parts but I'm told that would be VIN fraud. How?

    Does any of this make sense?

    I just lost 1 form of legal transportation here! That sucks! I really like WY for other reasons but this one makes absolutely no sense.

    Are there any WY state wide dualsport clubs? I wouldn't mind seeing if we can talk some sense into the legislators showing the hypocrisy as well as show them they are missing out on registration money (AS WE ALL KNOW THAT'S ALL THEY REALLY WANT ANYHOW IS MORE OF OUR MONEY).

    Guess I'll have to pull the plate off when it expires and either sell it back in Michigan or find another way.
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  2. sceep

    sceep Been here awhile

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    Just keep it registered in MI?
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  3. racermx66

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    They've been doing that for a couple of years in NJ. The DMV runs the VIN and if it wasn't street legal from the manufacturer, no plate. Doesn't matter what state the bike was registered in before. The thing that really sucks is NJ has NO motorcycle inspection. I would love to be able to slap a plate on a RMZ-450 and ride around the neighborhood.:lol3
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  4. SAM13

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    I had a 2 stroke KTM Freeride, new, sticker that said it wasn’t street legal. I outfitted it for all DOT compliance and took it to Utah dmv. We have similar ATV/ UTV laws where they can be plated. They called main office and sent it through as an ATV. Plated and titled without a problem and title said “ Motorcycle”. Maybe just try a different office and explain the inequity?
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  5. kbroderick

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    You could also establish a Montana LLC, sell the bike to said LLC, and register it here. Downside would be paying the LLC fees and that you'd probably have to pay for non-resident OHV registrations in Wyoming; upside is that Montana isn't picky, at least as far as I can tell, and does permanent motorcycle registrations.
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  6. _CJ

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    Sell the bike, buy one that's plate-able, get on with your life.

    Yes, it sucks, no you can't do anything about it. This is the world we live in.


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  7. WYO George

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    Wyoming has gotten stupid(er) lately when it comes to stuff like this. I'm not a big fan of what has become of our state government, but I deal with it. The reason you can run ATV/UTVs on the roads is very simple; it's what the ranchers want. We have a government of the ranchers, by the ranchers and for the ranchers and that's how it'll always be around here. well....ranchers and oilfield companies.


    BTW, Welcome to WY. I'm over near Casper.
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  8. AdvRonski

    AdvRonski They call me......Ronski

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    Try South Dakota. They allow you to title and plate a bike with an out of state address. I live in CO, but have one of my bikes titled in SD, because the sales tax and registration is cheaper there.
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  9. JayDub

    JayDub Havin Fun

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    Thanks for some of the ideas. The SD and Montana ones are very interesting. I don't know how that works if you aren't a resident but it is worth looking into. Keeping Michigan registration would be near impossible at this point and the insurance costs are beyond ridiculous.

    Well, I was complaining to one of my neighbors and she said, "you do know your state Senator lives up the road about 2 miles don't you? He also has an office for his ranch here in town." I went to said office and talked with the secretary and found out he is the Chairman of the Transportation and Highways Committee. Since a rancher asked me to help him round up some cattle with the dirt bike, I may have a ranch use and need to hit the roads between cattle lands. I left my info for him and was told he's good at getting back to people.

    The biggest thing I'll bring up is the money it would bring into the state and local coffers for titles and yearly licensing. I was expecting to pay around $100 for all that today but they don't want that money. I don't understand why they wouldn't.

    As I tell my daughter "if you don't like it, then do something about it." The secretary agreed that what I was told and the state laws for this don't make any sense and should be changed. We'll see if we can get anywhere via lawmakers to get this changed for everyone in WY.
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  10. CaseyJones

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    Montana is the easiest state I've lived in, to get registration.

    If you can get an address...ANY address...you can do it. When I moved here four years ago, I was living for three months in a motel and was getting my mail at a UPS Store mailbox. Street-address-looking.

    While living there, I came up on a deal on a Toyota pickup. I bought. With Wisconsin identity and just a street address, I got it registered and titled. The clerk caught the address and asked me about it; and then told me, only, be sure and correct it when you get a permanent address.

    So. If you can strike a deal with an inmate that you can use his address as a mail-drop, you could easily register and title it here. Walk out of the DMV with plates; and title will be mailed to your Montana address in three weeks.

    And never again. That registration, as noted, is permanent.

    A word of warning: Your local constabulary may not agree that the registration is permanent or valid. So, your mileage may vary, if he takes note of your repeated coming and going, and stops you.
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  11. WYO George

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    It's not just the local constabulary, it's state law that if you reside in Wyoming you have to have your registration swapped over. If you reside outside the state, but work in the state more than 30 days then you have to buy a work permit to keep your vehicle registered outside of the state. I've been trying to make progress on it through WYDOT since I work for them as a motorcycle instructor, but nobody seems interested in listening. Maybe you'll have better luck with it.
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    In case you're not aware...Colorado has been cracking down on that. The state has actually prosecuted several people for doing exactly what you've described. They want their money, and they're not taking no for an answer.



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  13. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Ridin' that train

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    That's kinda ironic - since in this case, the State is REFUSING the money and not issuing the registration.
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  14. JayDub

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    I was reading up on this last night and found Nebraska and Iowa are also prosecuting people doing this. They are doing this with people that say they are nomads and have multiple vehicles titled in SD with a permanent address in NE or IA.

    However, in my case how can a state prosecute someone for titling and plating a vehicle that they themselves REFUSE to title and plate? Oh yea, because they can haha. I think with the right approach we might be able to get this changed in the legislative arena so I'll start there. I think if they understand they are missing out on money for taxes and registrations they might be willing to listen. Their big excuse is safety (dirt bikes don't have a DOT safety sticker from the factory) yet they already title vehicles that don't have the DOT sticker such as side by sides and 4 wheel ATVs. So, it's not about safety because any solid axle four wheeler is much less safe on a paved road than a dirt bike.

    Lastly, I am somewhat of a nomad with no house, no rent, no contract for my job volunteering at a non-profit in WY. SD might be a legit option unless I decide to buy a domecile here.
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  15. _CJ

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    If you're living out of an RV, van, hotel, short term rentel, or whatever, then the question is, why DON'T you set yourself up as a "resident" of SD? We had a discussion about this a few weeks ago (can you live in an RV full time), and it seems a permanent address in SD is the way to go if that's how you're living.

    The problem is for people who maintain a primary residence in one state, but register in another to avoid taxation and/or local laws/regulations. More relevant to the person I quoted above, but also relevant to you as you're essentially trying to circumvent the laws/regulations of the place you're living.

    Why the state would care about the opinion or desires of a non-resident, I don't know. And why you would care I don't know. Get your SD residency in order, and enjoy riding your plated dirtbike in whatever state you find yourself in.


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    Yup. If you see all the RVs in AZ ,NM, TX with South Dakota plates you would think the state had 10 million people living there!!! They register anything and everything for travellers. Ironically, Michigan, a state with 10 million people actually... is very easy to plate bikes in. The point is well taken that police may not feel that a plate is legit though. It is their call and up to you to prove residency somewhere. I know that in some states that driver lisc and your plate better show the same state for instance or instant ticket for no plates. California of course...
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  17. zpooch

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    I plated both a Honda XR650R and a Suzuki DRZ400e that were not originally street legal bikes. Bought them in Colorado where they were plated and had zero issues getting a plate for both in Wyoming. I didn't do anything special. This was within the last 3 years.
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  18. nwcolorider

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    I have a solution, sell me the bike for a dollar, I title it in Colorado. You use it in Wyoming. Plates come due, send me a check. What could go wrong? In reality, if you have relatives willing to work with you in another state this could work. You are just borrowing the bike!
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  19. Lord Dogmeat

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    I transferred my 300 XC-W that was plated in West Virginia to WY just fine last year and didn't get the MPV plate. My 300 was originally sold me in Colorado with a street-legal CO title, so maybe that has something to do with it, IDK .... But, my dad also has his 2007 Honda CRF-450X plated and that did not have an MPV plate either. I was unaware there were any restrictions on non-MPV motorcycle plates on the interstates.
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  20. jjustj

    jjustj cum petris et choris

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    not a motorcycle but..... transfering my title and registration to here in washington they wanted the sales tax difference since its less than 7 yrs old 1500.$ fook that..... like computer problems or washed out roads..usually a work around!
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