NO! on Washington HB1632 (ATV road use)

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  1. tod701

    tod701 Long timer

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    HB1632 – ATV ROAD USE LEGISLATION
    WHAT THIS BILL DOES AND DOESN’T DO - CLARIFIED


    The original intent of this legislation’s primary OHV user sponsor was to allow ATV’s with some street vehicle equipment installed, to use forest roads on public lands along with some county or state roads with a speed limit of 35 mph and under. WOHVA supports that objective. However, a lot has changed and it no longer accomplishes this primary objective.

    As it is currently written it would allow local jurisdictions the option of allowing converted ATV’s to use more roads.

    It will not force any roads on public lands to be opened for ATV use.

    It will allow traffic infractions with fines of up to $500 for ATV related violation of any rules or regulations. This penalty could be applied things as minor as improper parking, having a burned out headlight, an expired ORV permit or Discover Pass, or going too fast on a trail even though there is no speed limit.

    While there are many reasonable rules and regulations WOHVA supports, a $500 traffic ticket applied only to people on ATVs, not the general public, is not just and reasonable.

    Unlike all other citizens, it will allow these $500 traffic infractions to be issued by law enforcement officers based on the accusations of untrained members of the general public. . As with all infractions, you will be forced to go to court and prove your innocence for each claimed violation.

    And what do the ATV users get in return? Certain quads will be able to have limited access to drive on certain county or state roads after completing the process to obtain a restricted road use sticker for their plate.

    The anti-access people (see www.waorvabuse.org) who are really pushing this legislation get everything they want, e.g. large license plates on all ATVs whether they want to use roads or not; the ability to get traffic infractions issued by their own accusations against ATV users; Outrageous fines that apply only to ATV users who break any land owner/manager’s rules, but not the general public.

    The anti-access people are giving up nothing. Their efforts in the past have pretty well proven they would prefer all OHV’s be restricted to using only roads.

    Please contact all of your legislators (easily done all at once) using the http://app.leg.wa.gov/districtfinder/ website and let them know how you feel about this Bill as currently written.

    www.wohva.org
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  2. It'sNotTheBike

    It'sNotTheBike Banned

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    Based on what I have observed, some of the public is sick and
    tired of the behavior of some of the people who ride
    quads. Sure, those bad actors on quads are probably a
    small percentage of the entire set of quad users, but their
    bad behavior draws attention from people who are more than
    happy to contact legislators.


    So soon there may be a law which will provide for
    greater accountability for people who NEED to be held
    accountable when they act poorly. This is the result of
    the failure of the quad riding community to police their own
    and not act like jerks around people who would prefer not
    to see a quad on the trail ever again. Acting like jerks
    gives those people both the desire AND legal "ammunition" to
    use against quads and that is the simple truth.


    If you want to thank someone for laws like the proposed
    legislation, thank the people who act like the world
    is their own personal playground to trash as they wish when
    they ride quads.

    And by the way, the anti-access people don't have to give
    anything up. You have a confused notion of how the world
    works.


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  3. Rob.G

    Rob.G Mostly Harmless

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    Given that it's pretty much impossible to reverse a bad law once on the books, I say vote this thing down now. Don't screw over all ATV users because of a few bad ones. Instead, find another way to punish the offenders and not the entire group.

    How would you feel if this bill applied to off-road motorcycles too? Which would include plated dual-sports.

    The biggest problem with this bill is the fact that you can be cited on hearsay over actual evidence. It's a typical move of the liberal left and anti-access groups who want to force people off of their public lands. If these people had their way, all public land would be closed up and marked as Wilderness; this is the best next thing.

    WA should try to follow Montana's lead with regard to road-legal ATV use.

    Rob
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  4. tod701

    tod701 Long timer

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    It would take the changing of a couple of words to do exactly that.
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  5. Rob.G

    Rob.G Mostly Harmless

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    Exactly. And while they're at it, why not include snowmobiles too? We know just how much they loathe those things.

    When I used to live in Nevada and snowmobiled in California, I remember a couple of riding areas that were groomed by the local snowmobile club. The cross-country skiiers infested the place, got in the way, refused to move over for sleds, and would then try hard to ban us from our own riding areas... because they were too stupid to realize that WE were the ones keeping the trails groomed. Morons.

    Rob
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  6. Off Road Ryder

    Off Road Ryder Long timer

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    That exact thing has happened here in WA many times involving single track trails. Tiger Mtn is one prime example. The same will/has happen to the newly failed attempt at reitter, not to mention countless undeveloped areas in the state.
    They lump us all into one boat, it doesn't matter if your on a Quad or Bike.
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  7. shrubitup

    shrubitup Uncouth Sloth

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    Thank you for the CLOUT email on this. Have sent my words to Oly with love. :1drink
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  8. tod701

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    This could come up for a vote of the full House of Representatives at any time. It is listed on the floor calendar.

    Please make sure that both of your Washington State House of Representatives members know where you stand.

    Find them at:

    www.leg.wa.gov
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  9. tod701

    tod701 Long timer

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    huzar Pastor of Muppets

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  11. tod701

    tod701 Long timer

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    Missed cutoff yesterday.
    Likely dead.
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  12. frdbronco8

    frdbronco8 Been here awhile

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    Thats good to hear and a reminder that we need to stick together. When people start talking about the differences in quads, 4X4s, snowmobiles etc I think of the famous quote during the nazi occupation....... With a few changes....
    First they came for the 4X4s,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a 4X4er.
    Then they came for the Quads,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Quad rider.
    Then they came for the Snowmobiles,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Snowmobiler.
    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.


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  13. 81husky

    81husky Been here awhile

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    This bill is like groundhog day. Every year it comes back with good intentions, but gets torpedoed by the anti ORV crowd.
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  14. tod701

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    Unfortunately it is us true pro-ORV people that are getting blamed for "ruining this great oppurtuntity".

    No worries though, over the long haul truth will prevail.

    If the suppport is there, I would prefer to see an expansion of RCW46.09.360. That section allows regular ORV onto certian roads without alll the baggage contained within 1632.
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  15. tod701

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    The "good intentions" people must learn not to buddy up with people that hate our sport yet promise that they are here to help or we will be doing this dance again.

    I would have much rather spent that effort promoting something really pro-ORV.
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  16. KTM Explorer

    KTM Explorer Dirt Whore

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    A bazillion quads roam the hills above Liberty......not a one legally. Usually blithely putting along, some with their own teeth.
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  17. tod701

    tod701 Long timer

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    The Legislature has revived this anti-ORV bill.

    They would only do that if someone thinks they can sneak it through and pass it.

    The House of Representatives can vote on it anytime now.

    Please let your House members know that HB1632 is not what it appears to be and to vote NO.

    Hotline:

    1.800.562.6000
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  18. ObiJohn

    ObiJohn Screaming Banshee

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    Looks like the house passed the substitute bill. I downloaded and read it, and don't see the enforcement problem... maybe it was fixed? Yes, a person can report an issue to a LEO, but the LEO must investigate and find probable cause before issuing a citation. The operator would still have the right to confront his accusers, LEO and citizen, in court. If I'm riding with a friend, or even if I'm not, it becomes a he-said, she-said situation. There has to be compelling proof, e.g., photos or matched tire tracks, etc., to convict.

    I think that this enforcement rule will be seldom used, and will be hard to get a conviction with, unless the evidence is overwhelming. What the OHV rider gets is the ability to operate on unimproved public roads, and on small town public roads.
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  19. tod701

    tod701 Long timer

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    The bill was amended right before they voted on it.

    The fine language was removed.
    Section 9 still provides for an enforcement officer to cite you based on someone else's statement and you would still need to go to court to defend yourself right or wrong.
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    Don't under estimate determined leaf lickers and their seemingly endless amount of time to document "Thrill Craft's" damage to the forest. They can fill up a SD card with photo's of tread marks and ruts before you can say 'sediment'!
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