No stop USA

Discussion in 'Trials' started by lineaway, Nov 25, 2011.

  1. Gordy

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    And there you have it! :norton
  2. LowPSI

    LowPSI Been here awhile

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    You'd be surprised how quickly riders adapt................if they listen

    Rachel at TdN was a perfect example. No trials could have been more foreign for her. She got her bike Friday am just before the start of the Women's WC final round. less than an hour before the start. She had about 15 minutes of practice and the she started. She had no mud experience that I know of and she struggled on the first lap but she figured it out quickly and by lap 2 she was rockin. She figured out that you had to keep moving, keep the flow.. Stop and Hop was a big mistake except for a few set ups. In a very short time she became a mud rider. She was a big part why our Women finished so well in Saturday's TdN.
  3. Gordy

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    :clap I heard that she got her bike literally minutes before her start time and had a difficult start but was doing great by the second loop.
    She has rode some mud at the eastern nationals but she told me that it was fierce in Switzerland and the loop had a muddy downhill that was crazy.

    She is certainly a great example of what this sport is about. She is a great rider, contributes non-stop (no pun intended) and is always willing to help out anyone with encouragement and a smile.
  4. 2whlrcr

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    A D17 jacket is the most coveting item in the universe around here. Plus we score ourselves, so it's much easier to cheat.:D

    Allowing stopping, but put a foot down while stopped and you're out of here... Problem solved, well except for the subjective scoring issues, but we always have that problem.
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    That's our girl!!!!! :clap:clap:clap
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    AteamNM Wonna Be ADVrider

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    Wow Martin, well said - huba huba. You need to write more in TC. :clap


    This:

    laser17 • Today 05:34 AM
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  7. Gordy

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    I'm starting to come around on going to the world event at TTC. I just realized that Laia Sainz will be there! :raabia
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    Brewtus Buffoonery, Inc.

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    Yeah, didn't see that one coming....... :lol3
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    "Hi Uncle Gordy! You'll come out and watch me, no?"

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    :lol3
  10. LowPSI

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    :knary
    Por favor Laia, como se dice, no stop?
  12. Sting32

    Sting32 Trials Evangelist

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    Talking about nationals and or world rounds, do they still have time to change the rules for them?

    Well, if they do, I have even less desire to goto one and compete.

    But I guess, I am not totaly sure on my stance, if nationals this year, get announced as no stop. I probably wont go (yeah empty threat, because I don't go that much anyway, they are so far away)... BBBBbut I would rather not spend that kind of $$ the 1st year of this IMHO, especially ridiculous rules changes, let them fight it out with you rich basterds (lol) that go all the time...

    I think "not stopped" or "Stopped" (foot down or not) is tooo freaking much "judges discretion" and is one of the reason's we moved away from it a while back! Or at least I like to think so... because it makes sense to have don so.

    Doing so back in what, in around 96???? It took this BS "was he or wasn't she stopped" from a judge that might see 2 guys ride exactly same, one get fived the other not. It is never perfect but removing yet one more possibility is a step in teh right direction, opposite of what they are doing now...

    Plus, they did that for a reason, they even were going to build electrical boxes you hooked to your bike, that would light up if front wheel stopped turning, problem is if I pull a wheelie turn touch my brake, the box would light up even though rider was moving.

    Its all going to be turned into nothing but Bullship anyway, if they bring back no stop. it is worse than the "slipped back wards enough to be fived, or lost forward momentum or not, enough to be fived, arguements that depends on how the judge "thinks" he saw, how hard ass he wants to be, plus they cannot be consistent in these calls, they never are. and we're not going to have instant replay for the foreseeable future :huh.

    I've been a judge, almost every weekend, and I am guilty of being nicer than I should be. I know that I lets newbies (novice/beginner) more latitude, on slipping or pulling backwards a little bit for any reason, for example... Yet, I also know if you aren't in novice, I am much harder on those riders in my sections I have no idea how others are handling it, but from the few times I dont judge and take my newbs around, many are even more "forgiving", which in hind sight might be allowing them novices false "accomplishment" since they should have been fived, if we strictly followed the rules..

    but I always noticed, that these novice guys/gals that don't get the big five, try harder each time, but I don't know if they understand my thinking, and or even know, that when they move up it'll be a five for sure. I fight the need to explain why I didnt five them this time, but most times, I do warn them that "you were damn close to pulling your bike backwards too much, and getting a five" so they know.

    This is not a big deal on club events where 70% of the riders are just there to have fun, and learn... But at the big Shows, this is going to PISS (not only me off) but EVERYONE that spends the BIG $ to compete, and get screwed over by undeniably inconsistant judging...

    I have a "TRIALS TV" collection, and the one for 06 I think it was, where you watch Dougie and a few riders ride a section "clean" with more stops in them, but Raga (relatively newcommer at the time) got given 3 stop points and if you even run a stop watch, he rode the section in 30 seconds less time than the guys that didn't get stop points... I am a raga fan, but it has nothing to do with Raga, it pisses me off every time I watch that section, and even the commentator says "somehow they charged raga with stop points" Im like yeah, costs him thousands of dollars (could cost you the whole trials to get 3 unearned points you know) to be treated differently than the other competitors, and should NOT ever happen, but it DOES.

    So again the "no stop crap was retried, and scrapped yet again, but here we go again! RIDICULOUSNESS!

    What you think?
  13. laser17

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    Mike Rapley came out of retirement to comment on this topic over on TC. Good read.
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    laser17 Been here awhile

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    She would hurt you Gordy. Besides she's a GG girl now. :babe
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    If I could only have 10 minutes with her......:evil


    ....I would ask her about bike prep for Dakar! :lol3
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    You go big man!

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    laser17 Been here awhile

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    Staying on topic - Would that be a stop allowed or no stop 10 minutes...:lobby
  18. nwcycle

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    Whats the big friggin deal......
    I only worry about my bike stopping after tumbling down a hill........
    Other than that its all hit and miss anyways.....:eek1
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    Thats how you Zero'd that last loop :evil
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    I asked Brad on his facebook page(Kinda felt like an ass,but someone needed to get NATC's statement)
    " We will see how things go at the world level and discuss it at next years meeting in October of 2013."
    A most sensible reply!