No stop USA

Discussion in 'Trials' started by lineaway, Nov 25, 2011.

  1. Brewtus

    Brewtus Buffoonery, Inc.

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    Kerfluffle???


    Word of the day calendar, right? :D

    Seriously though, you make a damn good point.


    Oh, don't you worry. There's clerking to be done, that's for sure. :evil
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  2. ridenm

    ridenm Long timer

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    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kerfuffle
    Seems appropriate in a trials context, coming from the mother tongue as it were... :deal

    Of course, turned out I was adding an 'L' all this time... :huh

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  3. Garthe

    Garthe ROCKS ARE YOUR FRIENDS...

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    Take it from me...your post count is going to get a heavy work out...

    Being injured sucks...18 days, till I go under the knife.

    I'm a noob...if I'm stopped, and my feet are still on the pegs...it's a really good day :lol3.
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  4. ridenm

    ridenm Long timer

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    Well, good luck to you. Hope you have an easier surgery than mine went. I'm just starting to get some range of motion in my left knee. Ortho appt in two weeks will let me know if I can start putting weight on the leg. Blood thinners will continue for months.

    I'm hoping to at least start using the stationary bike soon. I am getting an upper body workout using a wheelchair at work--those hallways to the bathroom and breakroom are looong.

    But the whole family will miss the last San Y trial of the year 'cuz I can't load bikes or follow the kids around. This season is a bust.
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  5. darmst6829

    darmst6829 Been here awhile

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    Tony Down does a good job explaining his position on the stop no stop debate.
    http://blackcatvintagetrials.com/2008/07/25/stop-or-no-stop.aspx

    Dave
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  6. wilkinsonk

    wilkinsonk soup de grimace

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    Nice. Somehow that website got a "Sex" category tagged to it. The office filters picked it up and blocked it. Now I'll probably get a visit from the internet gorillas.
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  7. darmst6829

    darmst6829 Been here awhile

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    Wow, that’s a constipated filter!
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  8. grizzzly

    grizzzly The Pre-Banned Version

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    I kinda think the “no stop rule” makes trials more dangerous because your not slowing down and gathering your thoughts and getting lined up. Instead it adds a lot of speed because if you miss your line you almost always have to use speed and momentum to get you through. So you wind up careening through the section out of control.
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    Ok I know that the whole careening through the section out of control is just my riding style but we are trying to ride tr_IA_ls not tr_AI_ls.
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  9. lineaway

    lineaway Long timer

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    Best quote from Tony D.; `If being stationary with a foot down only scores a one then I`m losing my mind!`:ricky
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  10. Sting32

    Sting32 Trials Evangelist

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    Why is that a best quote to you?

    It is the stupidest thing I have heard!!!!!!!!!!

    wait, we should also vote, to not wear helmets anymore, since they didnt used to?
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  11. Chadd

    Chadd I live in the wrong place

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    Those wool hats they used to wear are pretty stylish :evil
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  12. roadholder

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    This discussion seems to come up regularly...usually associated with some "how do we fix trials?" conversation or internet thread. Unfortunately opinion is often split between the old school codger types and the "bouncy, bouncy" camps! As already noted here, the best riders will still be on top regardless, and it always comes down to the organizers to walk that fine line between catering to the experts and not pissing off newbies with stupid hard lines. Not an easy task and the risk if you get it wrong is that you WILL soon find yourself dealing with just a small core group of experts! Being somone of that certain age that has one foot in each trials "camp" (riding from the twinshock days to well into the mono-era) I find it hard to dismiss the concerns that have led to the push towards no stop rules.

    It's not just about the riding issues discussed here but the whole trials "package" as a sport that has needed a little prodding to (literally!) keep things moving. The recent section time limits at the World Level have helped from a "look and feel" perspective, no longer requiring specatators to suffer through a lengthy session of static balancing and throttle blipping as a rider endlessly stares at the rock face or step to be attempted! Feedback from spectators and riders of other riding disciplines can be telling, and some would argue if you aren't moving then you aren't riding...and may even dismiss the sport as some obscure form of stunt riding rather then the time-honored (and oldest form of) motorcycle sport that it is. No stop rules literally keep things moving, at times taking away the need for turns to be needlessly tight to provide challenge...and further widen the gulf between the the best and not so best riders. From what I have heard, the organizations in Europe that have switched over have seen renewed interest and/or larger turnouts in many cases, so just perhaps the movement towards these rules has some merit.
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  13. grizzzly

    grizzzly The Pre-Banned Version

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    <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> The way I learned to ride trials is just that, you should ride the sections. Balancing, hopping and riding backwards is riding, but stopped with a foot down taking a break is not riding.
    Our new rules say that we can stop and take a break get our selves and out bike lined up, catch our breath and basically take as long as we like, personally I don’t feel that is what trials is.
    [FONT=&quot]Ok with the old rules say your bike gets stuck on a log or in some mud, now you have to put a foot down (while the bike is stopped) to push your self through or off of the obstacle. I don’t think that should be a five.[/FONT]
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  14. lineaway

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    The worst rule change ever, to be able to stop, put your foot down and reposition your bike and only get a single dab. Yeah that was a great rule change if you couldn`t ride the section. But for the rider with ability you just gave up 4 points. Has nothing to do with riding in the 60`s we are talking of riding in the 90`s.
    It was a stupid reason they started changing the rules. Change our sport for TV , hell with any tradition or why we ride. With no stop we would at least have a true points spread again.
    So are you new to the sport that you never saw Arron or Young hopping all day long? Back then it was ability,but a dab while stopped was still a 5.
    And then they tried no stop again. Then a stop with a 1 which then became a 2 with a dab thrown in with it. Which became a nightmare to score. So here we are again talking about what went wrong with our original simple sport.
    So yeah I would take no stop again over the existing rules, and no I will not wear my old hat. I have too many trophy helmets that saved me to ride another day. And if you want to vote for something, how about a beer class at the nationals. Now that would stir the pot just fine, 6 pack a loop.:freaky
    Or we could just go back to stopping, hopping,backing up just get to the exit, just don`t DAB while stopped,show them all how to clean it type riding cuz you can.
    Or does Sting want to stop and reposition his bike?
    Bob R.
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  15. grizzzly

    grizzzly The Pre-Banned Version

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    <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> Ok the no stop that your referring to is called enduro

    I like trials because of the tight turns and the challenge, and as for the spectators, we don’t sell tickets to events so we don’t much care what they think.

    Just my thoughts
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  16. grizzzly

    grizzzly The Pre-Banned Version

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    what happened to the beer trials, and buddy trials annyway
    i kinda miss those classes
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  17. Brewtus

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  18. neilking

    neilking Been here awhile

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    I don't know why people keep saying Trials is broken! It's not broke! I think the simpler the rules, the better. Yes it can be frustrating waiting in que while someone bebops around in the section for what seems like forever. If I'm in a hurry I try to get ahead of them. Trials is not a spectator friendly sport, never has been. Spectators like to sit around and watch. I don't want a pickle, I just want to ride my motorsicle.
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  19. chainslapAZ

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    I think any of the rules like no stop, no rolling backwards, extra points for stopping with a foot down, etc, makes it way to subjective and harder for the observers. Some observers are pretty slack on rolling backwards, whilst others are nazis about it. I am all for the simplest rule-set possible. It's too damn confusing trying to explain all these rules to newbies and I think it deters and drives away a good portion of potential riders.

    I also think there are way too many classes, at least in our club. I would prefer a A, B, C, D line with more Ute cup style lines and events myself.
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  20. AteamNM

    AteamNM Wonna Be ADVrider

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    KISS for the observers. When you have a nano second pause and get a 5, FORGETABIUTIT. But a timed section like nationals, yes. That minimizes the hop all day or............ for a few riders, let me just stand here for a minute or two and act like I have never seen the section in my whole ife and let my fat ass start breathing agin. Not you Brewtus, well maybe the fatass part.:evil.
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