Non-MSF Training Schools

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by d.burbach, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. d.burbach

    d.burbach Been here awhile

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    I recently attended Mark Brown's MotoMark 1 Basic Overland Confidence Course and it was awesome. Since then, I've been poking around the internets trying to find other motorcycle training schools across the country, but I haven't had much luck. It seems MSF has quite a monopoly on motorcycle training and that the BRC and ERC are really all there is in a lot of places. So far I know about Eric Trow's Stayin' Safe School and Ken Murray's school in Atlanta. Do you guys know of/have experience with any of these or other independent schools?
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  2. daveinva

    daveinva Been here awhile

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    Deleted. Good luck!
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  3. motorat

    motorat TBD

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  4. StevieMac

    StevieMac Adventurer

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    I've been three years in a row. Awesome course, TONS of fun!

    This is an great course as well: http://www.northwest-motorcycle.com/ They teach the Police Motor Officer course to civilians. This isn’t a watered down version either, they use the same cone dimensions and benchmarks for students that are used for Police.
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  5. DaveStockwell

    DaveStockwell Rock Fodder

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    There are lots of independent training centers out there. They just don't have a lot of national visibility.

    For adventure riding I know of at least two:

    There's also this one which is modeled on motor officer training if you are in for some real hard work: http://www.northwest-motorcycle.com
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  6. LittleRedToyota

    LittleRedToyota Yinzer

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    shane watts's dirtwise if you are looking for a dirt course.

    i haven't had the chance to take it yet (hope to bring him here next year), but i have heard nothing but great things about the course from everyone who has taken it.
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  7. razor1

    razor1 BMW Performance Center

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    Don't forget BMW has their own On and Off road motorcycle training and tours. They operate out of Greer, SC across from the BMW manufacturing plant.

    Regards,

    Ray
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    Photog Charismatic Megafauna Administrator

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    motorat TBD

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    short sleves are ok??
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    Yup. The police ride in short sleeves when it's hot, and this was at a police training center.
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    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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    I took his course 18 months ago. While I think some of the excercises were good, I really think the atmosphere is downright dangerous. We had riders fall in the path of travel, and other riders just kept riding the excercise roosting the downed rider. I get the dirt bike mentality for a raceday, but for a training session there is no excuse. For that reason, I don't think I would return to his classes, but am still interested in his DVDs.

    He's a magically talented guy, but the 12:1 student to instructor ratio is a bit low to provide consistent feedback. Bascially, he demonstrates the exercise then all 12 riders go balls to wall to do it.

    --break break--

    There is also the BMW Performance Center:
    http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/experience/events/pds/default.aspx#motorcycle

    Rawhyde Adventures:
    http://www.rawhyde-offroad.com/

    Pine Barrens Adventure Camp
    http://www.pinebarrensadventures.com/

    Adventure Riders Intl
    http://www.adventureridersinternational.com/
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  16. d.burbach

    d.burbach Been here awhile

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    Does anyone know of any training schools, other than those mentioned above, that do on-road training via helmet-to-helmet communication with the instructor?
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  17. Roadracer_Al

    Roadracer_Al louder, louder, louder!

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  18. KingOfFleece

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    Been thru two Stayin' Safe classes and insisted my wife take one. After 40 years of riding I learned quite a few things.
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  19. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    Good thread, OP. Having been through two MSF courses (admittedly not completely voluntarily) I would hope there is something else out there for folks who actually want to learn how to ride a bike.

    Not a MSF fan. And yeah. I did let them know about it at the time and in emails. All I got was "that's what we script them to say".
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  20. anotherguy

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    Always been a proponent of American Supercamp. You will learn how to control a motorcycle in adverse situations. It translates to all forms of riding. That and riding off road regularly. Comfort on a motorcycle that's tap dancing on a razor blade frees up the brain to access the proper action in difficult situations.
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