Non typical lighting a hazzard

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by windmill, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. combustor777

    combustor777 Been here awhile

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    Agreed. Not only do turtles finally get out of the way, and people have stopped turning in front of me, but the tax collectors are unwilling to aim the LIDAR gun into the xenon hi beams. In the daytime it's stupid to get pissed off about bright lights; you don't stare into the sun do you? Use peripheral vision.
  2. willis 2000

    willis 2000 neo-quixote

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    Are white LEDs visible in bright sunlight? How about the xenon? I agree about the multiple lights. the twin halogens on my Street Triple get attention when I weave a bit and point them at a car's side window. I've seen people jerk and look around. Some of the faired sportbikes have only one light on on low beam and it's off to the side. Doesn't seem very useful in daylight.
  3. DAKEZ

    DAKEZ Long timer

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    Those are just your personal opinions reflecting your likes and dislikes. You're editorializing. You present no cause-and-effect data whatsoever. :deal

    Dorian's view is backed up by vision studies with links posted over and over again in threads like this one.

    Overly bright lights hurt more than they help. If you need them to feel safe you really should rethink your riding habits IMO.
  4. Sutherngintelmen

    Sutherngintelmen around the bend

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    These look like some handy aux attention getters - anyone have a pair?

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  5. concours

    concours WFO for 44 years

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    "A few riders seem to have an unusual amount of trouble with motorists not seeing them." You sound like a very skilled and defensive driver, avoiding most close calls long before they become such. I too, don't have many "close calls". That being said, only a fool would challenge what's been proven again and again that subconsciously, many drivers fail to 'see" motorcyles... that is identify and ACCEPT the motorcycle as a motor vehicle worthy of the same right of way as a sedan, dump truck, etc. Daytime high beam use is a conspicuity tool, the same as hiviz clothing. It's not in any way dangerous. Back to the "few riders"... while MOST of the time, us seasoned veterans can avoid close calls... the reality is, once in a great while, we won't see the threat barrelling up a side street, blocked from our view by structure, texting, about to blow through a stop sign... and MAYBE, just MAYBE that conspicuity might jolt the inattentive driver back to reality with a bright light in the peripheral vision. If it saves my bacon ONCE, it's an effort well spent.

    The modulator is something I think makes you conspicuous LONG distance, but I agree, it could be mistaken for "I'm flashing my lights to signal that you can turn left in front of me because I'm such a nice guy". I'm not willing to take that risk.
  6. Sir Not Appearing

    Sir Not Appearing That's no ordinary rabbit

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    This happened to me a few times on the same road going/coming from lunch and the same bike. I saw a flashing light in my rearview mirror and started to move over until I saw it was just some geriatric lard mountain on a Yamaha Voyager with what looked like a 1,000,000-candlepower strobe light for a head light.
  7. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    I don't think I am more skilled than average, but I am a professional driver and always drive/ride "professionally". Part of being professional is making sure others see me.
    That's what this discussion is all about, intelligent use of additional lighting, helping others see you without compromising the safety of yourself and others.

    I don't see it as an all or nothing situation, some bikes do have poor lighting and their high beams are reasonable to use. Then there are some bike that their low beams are entirely adequate, and using high beams will cause more harm than good.

    The most important thing in staying safe is always being aware of your environment, thinking about what you are doing, and the possible outcome of your decisions. The problem is the folks who "don't care" or are ignorant about how their actions affect others.

    I understand wanting to be safe, it's my job, but I don't understand a rider being so timorous that they feel the need to go over the top, possibly endangering others for a perception of security.

    FWIW,
    Fedex and UPS, the 2 biggest transportation companies in the world prohibit use of high beams in the presence of other vehicles because it is unsafe, illegal, and unprofessional. A complaint from a motorist is considered an incident that goes on the drivers record.
  8. willis 2000

    willis 2000 neo-quixote

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    I don't have my employer's name on my bike or gear, so there's nobody to call if I piss you off. I say again (have you guessed my employer?), are led/hid lighting effective in bright sunlight?