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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Little Bike, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. Little Bike

    Little Bike Air/Clutz Sue

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    Noobs Unite! Post your questions, concerns, share your experiences, start discussions. Anything and all noob related! :freaky

    (No, you do not need to be a noob to participate - we need the help:lol3)
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  2. car94

    car94 What's this Box for?

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    You spelled N00b, Wrong!:deal:lol3
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  3. Little Bike

    Little Bike Air/Clutz Sue

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    i don't do capital letters...........besides, i'm a noob, i get to decide how to spell noob :lol3:lol3:lol3

    oops, i did make a mistake........noob is spelled "awesome" :deal:annie

    Be nice, behave or get deported from NoobNation!:clap
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  4. quasigentrified

    quasigentrified Trumpet Strumpet

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    n00blike here -- been riding a couple years but still making dumb mistakes. i have sort of an open-ended question for the old-timers: what are your parking techniques? depending on the incline and level of lot activity, i either swing into a stall/slot riding my rear brake; or i arc in front of my chosen stall and "waddle" the bike backwards into my spot. are these credible? i'm always worried i look like some rank amateur when parking (which i am).

    also, how the FUCK do the pirates park the bigger harleys? any bike over 600 pounds must be hell in little parking lots. too many opportunities for a surprise with your wheel turned. makes me antsy just thinking about it!
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  5. Little Bike

    Little Bike Air/Clutz Sue

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    I've done a lot of road riding. If the spot slants up I pull in then I can just roll backwards, spot slants down then I back in.
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  6. SoSlow

    SoSlow Having fun

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    I'm in pretty much the same situation as you with both parking and the "still making dumb mistakes" thing. I park almost exactly the same way you describe, too. Backpedaling seems to work fine for me on anything aside from deep gravel. I think it doesn't matter how you do it as long as you're comfortable doing it and it's safe. Oh, and I try to always park the bike facing uphill...

    As for the Harleys, I don't think they park - they just stop and let the earth move under them until they're in position.
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  7. quasigentrified

    quasigentrified Trumpet Strumpet

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    that's what i do.

    i also find slow speeds way more stressful than fast speeds, since there are so many opportunities to get caught off-guard with my wheel turned (especially when you live in an area where every lot and exit is on a nasty incline). i'd love to hear more about folks' low-speed maneuvering techniques (i've been following and trying some of the police rider and gymkhana videos and drills). a few things i've discovered:

    1. never be too hasty or fast, especially in lots (duh). early in my career, i had more than a few near spills because i was too quick on/off the clutch (i was stupidly proud of my seeming inability to stall), because for some dumb reason, i thought it was bad for the bike to ride in the friction zone too long. i also have a terrible case of impatience, and i foolishly thought i could be both fast AND smooth, which finally culminated in a painful drop. there's simply too much time spent with the wheel turned in seattle parking lots for panic grabs. i've gotten much better in straightening the wheel as my first reaction before the grab, but i worry.

    2. target fixation is an even WORSE problem in parking lots, because there are SO many ways to be distracted. my gym has a combination set of high curbs, an arcing slighty off-camber inclined circuit, two blind exits to connecting streets, and a funky layout packed with potholes. i know it well enough to navigate it like a champ, but all it takes is one oil spill to put me off my strategy and pull me into a hazard as i look at it for too long. argh.

    3. in that vein, ALWAYS have a strategy. my current "worry" is my tendency for indecisiveness in new parking lots when i am unfamiliar with the layout and the traffic flow. (this is probably a downtown urban thing.) it's very hard to focus on good low-speed technique when you're scanning for paths through crazy suv drivers jockeying into and out of small slots (badly), grandpas doing ten point turns, pedestrians ambling about at random, and the omni-present speed bumps and potholes and dead-end sections. add inclines and underground portions with terrible visibility for BONUS SCARE TIME! seattle parking SUCKS! recently, after several near-misses by asshole cagers, i've taken to riding my bike in town ONLY to lots i'm familiar with. (otherwise, i take my scooter, which is MUCH more forgiving for panic stops and quick flicks around exciting new hazards. that's right, i'm reduced to using a scooter as an urban "scout". ;-)).

    4. if a lot is especially small, steep, poorly laid out, poorly maintained, or has shitty visibility all around, just stay out of it. i've gotten good at spotting the really awful ones and moving on. really, the case of nerves i currently get in some of these downtown lots put me at MUCH bigger risk, and it's better to go the nearest "safer" lot and hoof it a block, i feel. (i also continue to practice low speed drills.) i swear, i get far less nervous at 85 with heavy winds on the 520 bridge!
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  8. TortillaJesus

    TortillaJesus Authentic

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    Ronin ADV Gear addict

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  10. Little Bike

    Little Bike Air/Clutz Sue

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    The purpose of this thread is for discourse, not to provide a list of unrelated (although good) advice. The other is a good thread, but doesn't serve the same purpose. This thread is meant to be a noob directed conversation.

    If you want to provide assistant as an experienced rider, by all means post up!
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  11. HooliKen

    HooliKen Awesome is a flavor

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    If you are on your KLR and a pack of Vespa's comes up behind you, don't be a douche, let them pass, enmasse! :D
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  12. BanjoBoy

    BanjoBoy Been here awhile

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    Far as park'in goes, most roads have "crowns" so they slope towards the curb. That's why us experienced fuckz alwayz back our bikes in. It's quite simple with a little practice. :evil
    Actually, harleys are easier, cuz they'z lower than most other bikes. That's why newbs 'n girls prefer em. :thumb
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  13. High Country Herb

    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

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    Unless the ground is level, I prefer not to waddle the bike. If your foot slips on a small patch of sand...down you go. I have had some close calls doing that, and seen friends dump their bikes. One guy did it with his wife on the back of his BMW 1100RT, which resulted in a mangle ankle for her. When in doubt, I just get off and walk it in, leaning the bike toward me slightly to avoid it getting away from me.
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  14. motorat

    motorat TBD

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    also remember to leave it in first gear and turn your handel bars to the left.
    first gear will act as a parking brake and turning to the left puts more weight on the sidestand.
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  15. DarthJ

    DarthJ Been here awhile

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    Had a Victory Cross Country in AZ and it was as easy to park as my Shadow 650. I usually just swing in unless I want the front to be facing out, then swing out and back in. Big Victory, small Honda, if the bike's weight is laid out right, doesn't matter. As long as you don't do a no-speed fall (called a C.R. on the Shadow Aero forum) no problem.
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  16. DarthJ

    DarthJ Been here awhile

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    Wow, what was he thinking walking the bike without having the pillion rider get off first? :huh
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  17. High Country Herb

    High Country Herb Adventure Connoiseur

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    He was a nOOb that failed to read this thread...
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  18. ABHooligan

    ABHooligan The Flying Mythos

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    Not Me!!! I wait for the first few to pass, then roll the throttle so I can split their group up. I don't let the rest of them past me, even if my passenger is scared shitless.

    The same goes for stretched Busa's. It'll give them something to talk about at their next stop.

    No sportbike out there can keep up with my KLR in the twisties!!!
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  19. Huzband

    Huzband Team Dirt

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    Sig line material right there. :lol3
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