Norra 2013

Discussion in 'Racing' started by Strong Bad, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    NORRA will have a computer setup on-site to download the tracks to your GPS. They may also provide a chip with the course on it. That detail is still to be worked out.

    Every year NORRA has been inching towards a true roadbook style rally. I think that trend will continue. I agree it would have been better for them to get this straight earlier. Like with all Baja racing, everyone has to adapt to the unexpected. If you don't want to purchase a fancy roadbook holder, do the GPS odometer and duct tape thing, or buy a tupperware box as many have done in other rally events, and tape it on. Here are a few photos of "budget" roadbook holders:

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  2. Baja Dad

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    your support truck will drop you at the Start Take Pics the can meet you all day on day one. Then has to go early on day two from LA Bay to get ahead of you for support thru out Day two, you will need 1 or 2 remote pits on day 2 depending on you fuel tank size.
    Day three and four are support truck easy
  3. Pantah

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    http://www.raiddesigns.com/en/produ...aid-designs-rb001-manual-roadbook-holder.html

    I bought one of these manual roadbook holders for $70 deliverd to Boston. Took about a week to get it.

    Not sure I'd want to be manually advancing the roadbook at the speeds you guys ride across the desert, though. But it's a possible solution for those not wanting to drop several hundred bucks on a motorized unit and mount.


  4. HogWild

    HogWild Scott Whitney

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    Ken said there will be a map that shows all the places the course meets the highway (generally the start and finish of each Special). I was told the rules don't allow crew support ON the Specials, so you have to do that at the highway anyway. So, your crew plan should not be affected by the changes.
  5. az45

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    Wile there at it, the should get rid of bikes with single rear shocks, push button starters, water cooled engines and maybe even Camelbacks! Or maybe to make it easier, limit it to bikes built before 1967!

    I drive a single seater and have no room for 8 pages of the roadbook taped to my dash or the time to buy, install or learn how to use a roll chart.

    If the bike guys want to use roll charts only, they should. I don't think there's a car racer that would see any benefit.


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  6. Baja Dad

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    You have tons of room!!!
    Look in the middle of your steering wheel.

    There are 33 bikes that you would get rid off????
    and how many single seat cars??? 4 maybe...
    I think the Bikes would win on this $$$$$$

    Anyone!!! can go fast tracing a GPS track............
    It takes skill to use a road book !!
  7. Idahombre

    Idahombre Likes easy girls!

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    I guess we might have to change our plans a little, no biggie. Whose ever had a plan that worked in Baja anyway?? :rofl
    I talked Anna Cody into pitting for me (nice change) She and a couple friends were leaving a few days ahead of us to enjoy some Baja and set up at a predetermined location. Hopefully I can get the highway crossing locations ahead of time, if not, then we'll just adapt. This is the type of stuff that makes racing in Baja so dang interesting, flying by the seat of your pants stuff.
  8. HogWild

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    Roadbooks are not a "bike" thing. In a proper rally, everyone uses the roadbook, including all the cars.

    I see a nice spot for the roadbook on the lower half of the dash above your right leg, hanging down onto your leg. It's not perfect, but I think it it would work fine in the one affected course section.

    This isn't a typical Baja race. It's a rally. NORRA wants to differentiate themselves and their events from all the others. The rally format is growing in popularity, and NORRA seems to be leaning that way. It isn't about what makes navigation easy. It's actually somewhat the opposite. It's an added challenge. A move away from the "Wussification&#8221; of off-road racing, going back towards its roots. Now you have to THINK about where you're going, more along the lines of the original Mexican 1000, where the course wasn't marked, and there was no such thing as a GPS.
  9. Idahombre

    Idahombre Likes easy girls!

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    We (#151,#208) decided to run the big tanks. I have the 6 gallon and my buddy has a 5 gallon. I'm thinking that should carry us through the remote sections. Plus we will have a couple gallon jugs in the chase in case we don't think we have enough fuel for the longer sections, depending on the course changes. Just strap on a gallon and go!
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    If it was known, then why not just tell us? Why would they sit on the info until the last minute? I'm glad its in there, don't get me wrong, but why do it this way?
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    she still can !!!!
    dont sweat it !!
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    I'm a bike guy too(own 7), I just also happen to race cars.

    NORRA is already different than any other desert race, that's why I'm doing it.

    If I'm looking at a road book and odometer, I'm not looking out for guys like you on bikes trying to figure out which way to go.

    What happens when someone makes a wrong turn? The go backwards on the race course.

    If you want to navigate with a road book, go for it! Dont worry about someone having an advantage by using GPS because you're not treating it as a race anyways.
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    If you are talking to me???
    I am treating it as a race!!!!!

    Dont sweat it ! just have a good time and be safe!!:freaky
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    Warning just a reminder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ICO rallys are set in KILOMETERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    you must re set them to miles.....

    in less the roadbooks are set up for both!!!:deal
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    OK cool. I showed up last year with just a camel back and made it to the finish!

    It's all part of the adventure, the unknown.

    We will make it work for our team. Can't wait.

  16. HogWild

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    Dakar and may similar races work quite well with this format (stages, roadbooks, secret course, no GPS tracks).

    How are you watching out for others while you're looking at the GPS screen? And how is it the GPS prevents missing turns, but a roadbook doesn't? You generally don't have to look at a roadbook as much as a GPS because the roadbook tells you how far you can go before the next turn (most of that in-between time not having to keep looking at the roadbook). With the GPS, you have to look a lot more often, unless you have the whole course memorized.

    Rally racing is DIFFERENT from traditional Baja racing. It's a well proven concept. I know it's hard to learn a new trick, but most who put their heart into it actually like it more. Have an open mind and give it a try!

    What???? Please explain this? Where there no real "races" before GPS came along? And in many places, a roadbook gives an advantage over a GPS.
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    Are the MC road books being printed on a roll?
    or like last year?
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    a wrong turn would be they are off the race course, and there were never be a need to go backwards on the race course.
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    When I posted those hints, they were talking seriously about it, but the final decision had not been made. They always seem to be a bit late (in my opinion) getting the course set each year. Then again, it's a tough job so we're lucky it gets done at all. I think the secret course section was just finalized a few days ago. So they were not sure they would have the "roadbook only" part until now. And who knows how many more days before an official press release is made? You guys are getting an information jump on the competition already!

    I'll try to remember to make the secret course section of the roadbook in both miles and kilometers. I normally do that in all my other roadbooks, but I don't recall if the NORRA stuff was that way. When I include both, the MILES will be the large number, and the KM will be tiny text below. It's a bit hard to read that, so you could always hand write the KM numbers larger while reviewing the roadbook the night before. But it's probably best to set your odometer for MILES so you're consistent with everyone else.

    Sorry, no rolls this year. Maybe next year.

    They might make each day a separate booklet instead of one huge thing. Actually, if they are handing out the next day roadbook at the finish of each day, they HAVE to be separate.
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    Thats Great !!!

    Thanks Hog !!!