Northern VA Chatter Thread

Discussion in 'Southeast, The Lair of the Dragon - The Blue Ridge' started by HBN, Feb 18, 2010.

  1. ridin gaijin

    ridin gaijin riding > posting

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    ^ Yep, and not only that - if you have an EZPass for your bike, but don't carry it on the bike, the plate readers will find your account and charge you as normal. There's no need to tote it around.

    Rode in to Ballston for an appt this morning and the signs were showing $15 to DC (!). Traffic seemed light-normal.
  2. Riteris

    Riteris Dessert Runner

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    Assuming you have an aversion to spending $15.00 to get into town, there are routes 50 and 29. Have any of you noticed an increase in population of cars on those roads?
  3. Riteris

    Riteris Dessert Runner

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    I was thinking of the commoners, the hoi poloi, the stinkards of the commuting world, not the uppity folks on them fancy eye-talian motorcycles.

    Is it me or are there no KLR’s in that row?

    :D
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  4. Buckee

    Buckee Ah, Grasshopper...

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    Somebody w/LEO experience can correct this, but beware the fine line between offering a logical explanation and questioning the officer's SA & judgement. All in how you present it, I guess.
  5. SteelB12

    SteelB12 Our Purity of Essence

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    What a horrible place


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  6. XDragRacer

    XDragRacer Long timer

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    Best bet (since defendant chooses not to avail himself the right of counsel), IMHO, is: HUDDLE with officer and commonwealth attorney BEFORE case is called; establish (respectfully) circumstances of citation; corroborate cooperative attitude; and see if the LEO and commonwealth attorney will agree to ask the judge for a reduced charge. If so, and the judge accepts their recommendation, recommend a plea of, "GUILTY" as fast as possible!

    (Please don't ask me how I know this strategy has worked in the past! :lol2)
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  7. Capt CF

    Capt CF Pontificating Nobody

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    I'd definitely try something. In my opinion the fines/insurance is low on the totem pole of concerns compared to having a class 1 misdemeanor on my permanent criminal record (not driving record - criminal and possibly a second one). That might not ever be a problem, but I could see having to explain that to employers when background checks come back or even being denied employment if certain security clearances are involved. I'd pony up the dough and get it down to "improper passing" or something.
  8. FAW3

    FAW3 Old wanderer

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    A consideration to think about ^^^^

    Since it's the holiday season...here is my free gift, echo's XDrag:

    Typically in FX...court starts at 09:30. At about 09:00 at or near the Commonwealth's table in the courtroom the CA assigned will mosey in. He/she will carry a legal pad. The swarm of eager to deal defense attorneys will be instant...they are making the same type of deal you want...a guilty plea for typically an agreed upon sentence and in many cases a reduced charge. These are cases that will be disposed by a quick guilty plea right off the bat. To have a better than 90% chance here of a reduced charge...get an attorney. FYI: the CA will likely NOT speak to you or deal with you unless you are represented by an attorney.

    HOWEVER, I'd say you run a decent 50/50 chance with this: locate your arresting officer...they are supposed to be in or in front of their assigned courtroom at 09:00 too. Walk up and introduce yourself...I would be nice to be able to say something like: "I have already taken a Drivers Improvement Course, here is my certificate"..."I would think you have my driving record transcript, you can see I have no recent violations, NEVER any DWI, Driving on Suspended, Hit&Run or anything like that, and even have plus points due to my overall good record and from taking the DIC." Pitch time: Ask if he would entertain speaking to the CA on your case and ask if he would kindly consider amending the charge to Improper Driving or Improper Passing...and you would plead guilty to the reduced charge.

    If the above does not make it, go before judge, plead no contest with an explanation, and offer your facts. Close with the details above about your record, DIC, etc.

    Disclaimer: this advice is worth what you paid for it :lurk
  9. bwalsh

    bwalsh Long timer

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    For a reckless ticket? That's a good way for a fairly young person to wind up with no license or a restricted one.
    Imo it's money well spent hiring a lawyer for a RD ticket.
    YMMV...
  10. RocketMan

    RocketMan Out Rocketing

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    No way, the last thing it seems to me would be to make any reference to something along the lines of " Well, I could have doing something worse!" sort of like a robber claiming he "only" took 2 mill in cash when he could have taken 10 mill. A judge probably doesn't want to hear about what you "might have" or "could have" done and bringing something like that up might well turn the tide against you.

    And for a reckless and it being your second, I'd definitely hire a lawyer, not so much to reduce the fine, but to get the charge reduced if it is indeed a criminal offence as others have indicated. For most folks in this area with any sort of government or gov. contracting job the last thing you'd want is anything more that a traffic citation. Think in terms of the long range impact to possible jobs and pay you might lose, that right there might be worth much more than any cost for a lawyer. Even many private companies are running in-depth background checks these days, much more so than 10+ years ago. Its the new normal.
    Just my two cents worth.
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  11. XDragRacer

    XDragRacer Long timer

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    Your post suggests to me you are unaware Riding Gajin decided not to hire a lawyer, bwalsh.

    You may have overlooked Riding Gajin's statement in Post # 10044: "Under those conditions, paying for an attorney makes no financial sense. Show up, take my punches, go home."

    Further, reckon you missed my parenthetical allusion to RG's comment in Post # 10066, which you quoted: " (since defendant chooses not to avail himself the right of counsel)." (That means, no lawyer.)

    My suggestion took Riding Gajin at his word--he plans to appear in court without a lawyer.

    DISCLAIMER: No lawyer I (although I HAVE spent the night in a Holiday Inn Express).

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    Now, as Paul Harvey might have said, "The Rest Of The Story."

    The most RECKLESS aspect of my own Reckless Driving court appearance was, in my view, APPEARING IN COURT WITHOUT A LAWYER. I did not realize at the time the seriousness of the offense, or the weight of the penalties possible. As things turned out, the officer, commonwealth attorney, and I got together and all agreed to reduce my charge from 20 miles over the speed limit to 19 miles over (the threshold of reckless driving in Virginia). The judge agreed.

    Then, a surprising thing happened--the judge asked me, "How do you plead?"

    I thought: WHO would negotiate such a break in a reduced charge, and then plead, "Not Guilty?"

    Not I, I'm telling you! I gladly pled guilty and thankfully paid my fine (when I realized the harshness of sentences possible) and walked out of the courthouse. As mentioned, I had no lawyer, but . . . I was FORTUNATE! Don't think I'd ever face a reckless driving charge (in the unlikely even one is ever filed) again without competent local legal counsel--stakes are too high, for me.
  12. bwalsh

    bwalsh Long timer

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    Yeah, so what? Doesn't really matter whether I saw it or not. It's asking for very possibly huge let down to try and save the little bit of money spent on a lawer to represent yourself in a RD ticket verses the possible long term monetary/job losses.
    Read FAW and rocketmans posts...or don't.
    Again. YMMV...
  13. Capt CF

    Capt CF Pontificating Nobody

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    If you want a recommendation PM me. I have no experience with it myself, but I am having dinner with a friend on Saturday who rides sport bikes too fast and has gotten out of several situations with only minor fines. I can ask her who she uses and relay the info.
  14. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

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    Simple solution: make lane sharing legal in NoVA counties. /problem

    Unfortunately, that 'simple solution' ain't so simple. :cry

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  15. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Having sat in court waiting my turn, I have seen this work many times, IF the defendant has a good record, took the class, and gave a reasonable explanation for what happened, and if the cop is there, they will often ask them if this is rue, and the cop will say it is possible. 50% dismissal, 30% reduced charge, 20% they were just whining! BTW, if the cop doesn't show, fairly rare, the charge is dismissed.
  16. Capt CF

    Capt CF Pontificating Nobody

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    I don't think I'd try it in this case. He has a prior RD conviction. I don't think they will take it easy on a repeat offender, but it sounds like you have more experience with it than I do. If it was me I wouldn't risk it.
  17. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Key word, "her". :deal
  18. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    I agree, I would get a lawyer, but since he said he isn't getting one, that would be my advice. I was just about to amend my post.
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  19. Capt CF

    Capt CF Pontificating Nobody

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    lol... easy, she's married. If that changes I'll post up. :lol3
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  20. Butters

    Butters Kwyjibo

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    While I think XDragracer's advice is pretty good, it may not be an option. I got a 20 over reckless ticket and went to FFX on my court date. Mind you, I was previously a criminal defense attorney (inactive for many years), and at the time had 10+ years as a LEO. I approached the snot nose commonwealth's attorney (sorry, but that's what he was, fresh out of law school) to discuss my case and was rebuffed saying I needed a lawyer - he refused to talk to me. I was in a bit of a pickle since had I mentioned I am a LEO, I potentially could have got in far more trouble with my employer (i.e. trying to use my position to influence the outcome). In addition, even though I am certain I had far more legal experience than the commonwealth's attorney, I was not a member of the VA Bar and my California bar membership was inactive, so I technically can't say I am an attorney for the purposes of a VA court hearing.

    I bring this up only to say that the deputy CA may dismiss you quickly without an attorney. In their defense, there are lots of cases going through traffic court and they can't have a discussion with every defendant (and in some situations are ethically prevented from it).

    So you can try to discuss it with them, but you may get rebuffed. If that happens, you can continue the case (likely set for a trial date even though you don't intend to have a trial). You can seek out an attorney at that point. But the issue becomes whether it is worth you losing another day of work to sit around a courthouse to fight a silly traffic ticket.

    I don't think there is an absolute answer. Hiring an attorney is the safe and expensive bet. Trying it yourself may get you the same outcome for a lot less money, but it also may just cost you another day in court.

    You can tell I am a (former) attorney - it took me 4 paragraphs to say "it depends". That will be $500.