Not having a good day....advice needed.

Discussion in 'Airheads' started by hardwaregrrl, Dec 3, 2011.

  1. hardwaregrrl

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    I'll just start with some pics.

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    "Kick me when I'm down" pic

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    The main problem is that I'm flat broke. Haven't worked steady all year and it's beginning to show in my bank account. I want to repair it, but is it so far gone that I should just save my pennies for a new subframe? I also just had the seat recovered.

    Small tip over in the garage pushed it over the edge I'm guessing. It's funny, after Mike and I picked the bike up and assessed that nothing appeared to be broken, he made this comment: "that's a well sorted dual sport bike. It falls over and nothing has broken." :cry
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  2. baldwithglasses

    baldwithglasses Godspeed, Robert

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    Damn, Jenna.

    Doesn't Brad have a spare subframe?
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  3. DaveBall

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    I feel for ya.

    If it were my bike, I would be stripping that subframe off and taking it to a good welder friend. Have it all done up and maybe add a little more gusseting in suspect areas. Then if I was really attached to the bike, maybe save up for a replacement subframe for in the future.

    My old '79 RT ended up with numerous frame cracks and broken welds after 25 years and close to 350,000 hard miles. Ever seen an RT used like a G/S. Sold the whole thing to a friend who took it all apart and did the welding himself. Did a complete rebuild on it and now has another 200,000 miles on it. No new cracks.
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  4. fishkens

    fishkens Long timer

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    Oy, I wish I had a sub-frame to send to you because that zip-tie isn't going to hold. :cry

    Hang in there, Jenna.
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  5. hardwaregrrl

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    Ha!!!! Just fyi, it's there to hold my vent tube out of the way, but that does seem like something I would try?....:D

    About to take it apart and get friendly with it.
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  6. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

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    Hey Jenna, there is nothing so bad there that a good welder couldn't sort in an hour or two. so strip it down, make some cardboard templates, get some reinforcing brackets cut, and take it to your local engineering college and have them weld it up in one of the classes.:evil

    Good luck with it..
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  7. Wirespokes

    Wirespokes Beemerholics Anonymous

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    Looks like this was coming on for a while!

    One nice thing about these bikes - they've got good manners! :wink:

    Just think - it had the good sense to fail in the garage. How many other bikes are that civilized???

    Doesn't look like anything too horrible there - just pull it apart and fix it! Not a big deal. Maybe take a good close look at the main frame while you're at it.
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  8. One Less Harley

    One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT

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    Jenna, it's not that bad. Like others have said, pull the sub frame off and take this opportunity to add some gussets. Go ahead and cut the old gusset which is braking out and make another one. If it were mine where the tubing is cracked. Go ahead and cut both sides add another tube inside and then weld up the frame. The inner tube will provide support for the weak area.

    It's easy to make the gussets with a $20 angle grinder, cutoff wheel and cardboard templates.

    Does beater or Baldwglasses have a welder???


    I'm w/ you on the money thing. Saw your Areo stitch and it'd fit me, but I really shouldn't spend the money.....damn it.
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  9. hardwaregrrl

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    Hey Richard, I have a welder. I'm just not the most "creative" when it comes to welding. But I will be taking a stab at it. As far as the Darien goes, do you need a jacket? I'm happy to wait for payment if you need it. I know where you live...so:deal

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  10. One Less Harley

    One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT

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    I've got a First Gear which is acceptable. I've got to be smart w/ what little money I have...starving student, the self unemployment thing you know about that.

    Don't use that damn flux core welder on the frame, a mig is SO much better!!!!!!! If I were in your shoes get someone who can weld as you need good penetration with the weld!!! Just guessing that you might not be all that good. If you don't know a good welder...oh come on someone at the Harley dealer can weld it for you!!! If not what about a local vocational school?? Go by and talk to the instructor he'll be able to help you out I'm sure!!! As far as bracing goes, don't forget that a brace might get in the way of some fasteners and other things.

    I'd look into adding a gusset to the opposite side of the broken one. Where your zip tie is. Do it on both sides. Like I said make sure you don't block off anything you'll need access to for disassembley.
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  11. walkingbear

    walkingbear Lets Play Chicken!

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    Jenna
    I have a spare sub frame you can borrow until you get yours fixed.
    Won't need back for 6 months.

    Just pay for shipping it or maybe we can chip in and you can have a merry xmas
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  12. Bigger Al

    Bigger Al Still a stupid tire guy

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    That's the Old's Cool spirit, right there!! :clap
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  13. walkingbear

    walkingbear Lets Play Chicken!

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    just talked to Len, if I was earlier he could have taken it back east.

    Oh, well..................
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  14. Stagehand

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    I'm having a hard time telling what the kick me when Im down pic is...

    But heck this is just a subframe... No worries, its a sign of maturity and correct usage :D
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  15. bmwblake

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    i've got an r100gs subframe on the shelf. you'll end up needing other parts, like a seat and other stuff, but if it helps you i'll send it your way.
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  16. Lornce

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    Hi Jenna,
    Almost exactly the same thing happened to the R80G/S I bought in BC last summer. I was fortunate to be able to visit a buddy with a tig welder and some tubing to fit -inside- the broken frame. We drilled some holes in the subframe tubes either side of the crack and plug welded the slip fit tubing to the frame. The joint weld was more or less just for cosmetics, the real strength came from the plug welds.

    Does that make sense?


    I have no idea what this is a picture of? :scratch

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  17. JZed

    JZed Have GS will travel.

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    I am thinking that is the rubber support cushion for the back of the gas tank. If it is, that is about were the rear frame tubes from the swing arm area join the top main tube under the tank. ie main frame. Like I said, I hope that is not what I think it is.

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  18. One Less Harley

    One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT

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    That's exactly what I was thinking of. Go ahead and do the other side to as it's not if it'll break but when. Don't be scared about cutting on the frame to get to put tubing in it it's no big deal. Look at the welds on the factory gussets only welded on one side. Since it's off do the back side. Blake has got one hell of an offer, but you've got bag mounts and that new seat to worry about $$$$$$$. If you dot he tubing and add a gusset to the opposite side then that aught do do you for another 10 years of appropriate use. Just quit ridding w/ Brad and your bike will be most appreciative.
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  19. hardwaregrrl

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    That was the tounge on the front of my seat that fits into the backbone.

    @ WB and Blake, you guys are so generous and I may take you up on the offer one day, but for now I'm gonna fly with what I got. Now, I am not a welder but would like to know that I could potentially fix things with it.:D So I got busy today, and if you promise not to laugh, here is the outcome thus far....

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    I'll work on the gussets tomorrow. Again, thanks for all you advice and generous offers. Now, anybody got an idea on saving my seat???
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  20. hardwaregrrl

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    flat tire....

    You're right, it is just a subframe that's why I cut it in half....:deal
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